Maura Murray

Wth the cranky one and snowy are the only posters that have their locations hidden they both started in 2008 just months apart. You are the same poster. what are you hiding from? Was the sbd afraid of you because you are a Bully?

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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aftermath, you are so right about that.
The unquestioning loyalty to the NHSP seems a bit overweening on account of some of the posters here. See no evil, hear no evil...
Simply put:
Questioning the absolute integrity of the NHSP and in particular the particular state trooper in question makes you an evil person in the eyes of some of the commentators here.
However, when Mr Renner seems to have abdicated all efforts to pursue some digging into this matter it´s about time to finally ventilate this matter on this board.
I´m glad to see that there are finally some new people around here who seem able to inject some new life into what has until recently been pretty much a closed and not very rewarding discussion club, where certain subjects are being very much discouraged.

Yes, I agree. Mention "trooper" on this site if one wishes to observe a fine display of pack behavior mentality. On cue, the pack goes into aggressive, attack behavior mode. This verbal cue (the word "trooper") consistently elicits this response, unfortunately. In turn their consistent response elicits a consistent response from me. It causes me to question "why" they react to the word "trooper" in this way. There evidentally is something about the word "trooper" that causes the pack to consistently respond in an aggressive manner. They jump on mention of this word (trooper)like a hungry wolf on a bone! They've consistently responded in this way for almost 7 years.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

If Maura didn´t run off down Rte 112 in a state of panic, I believe that she was most likely picked up by a vehicle somewhere very close to her car wreck, either by someone she knew or by some kind of "official status" driver (such as LE, EMD, Fish and Game, etc).
If the latter Maura might have felt that she had no choice but to comply and accept a ride away from her car.
I frankly do not think it likely that she would have accepted a ride from anyone she didn´t previously know unless the driver in question was wearing some kind of "officialdom" uniform and/or was driving an "official-looking" vehicle.

I totally, whole-heartedly agree. Like many she respected the uniform. Taking into consideration the time factors that night, the dog a day or two later losing her scent at the intersection, etc.... I believe that a car door may have opened AT the intersection and Maura saw the uniform. She believed as I would that she had every reason to feel safe. Five to ten minutes later the local, Haverhill PD officer would arrive only to discover Maura was no longer in the area.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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And of course this is wrong. She would, if in panic mode, which I suspect she was after knowing that the SBD was calling the police and likely drunk, accept a ride from anyone or far more likely, just run off. Happens all the time. Most times with no actual plan at all. Seen it dozens of times if not hundreds.
Some people should read the reams of information on this subject that is written before. I think I will just wait until this silliness burns itself out.
Bill

You're attempting to make us believe that the SBD was "drunk?" I've not read anywhere that the SBD was drunk. The poor man is dead. What a horrible thing to say about him, now that he is no longer able to speak for himself. Good grief. What ever possesses you to say something like this about him.

welcome back aftermath

I thought SBD said she didn't appear intoxicated. Maybe WTH needs to go back and read previous posts and stop being an armchair Sleuth.It never ceases to amaze me.

WTH-the-original wrote:

All you CSI graduates. All you need to come here and participate is very simple. Read what has already been investigated so you have a least a clue what has already been done, what is known. And, use common sense and a little logic.
Bully, no. Tired of hearing the same CSI/Perry Mason bullshit. Yep. Have heard too much of it to remain polite.
Bill

"Yep!" Sounds like one mighty fine case of burnout to me.... Maybe a candidate for retirement? Blaming, tired, etc. Investigated? Fortunately, Billy's mother did the investigation regarding the phone bill...or no one would have known about the phone call to the Salamones. This is just one fine example that you might do well not to underestimate the abilities of armchair sleuths out here in cyber land.

aftermath just pulled the Turtle soup from the freezer and it is now defrosting with the word "Trooper " mentioned five times. The Cranky one is starting to boil.

oh I have some facts here

WTH: calls us Monkeys
WTH: calls us Armchair Sleuths
WTH Has Two houses in nH when only asked if he lived in nh
WTH : says he has been in the remote areas of NH when only asked if he lived in NH

Now lets carry on and talk about the case shall we?

mauracomehome wrote:

Maybe she locked the doors because she thought the "safe" person was taking her to call her dad or to the hospital,arrested&come back later?Where are/were her keys?Not sure about power locks.But in a panic/struggle you could lock them.

I believe her father had at one time mentioned he had told Maura about placing a rag in the exhaust to disable the vehicle (to prevent theft). If the doors were locked it would appear she had planned to return to the car at some point. Why else lock the doors and place a rag in the exhaust? If she did not care about the car and its contents, she would have not disabled the car and locked the doors. The same holds true for her telling professors and supervisors she would be away for a few days. If she had NOT planned to return to the university, why bother to tell anyone anything about her departure? She took textbooks for what purpose other than to study. Why bother studying if no plan to return to classes? Why the part about a death in the family? Even though the family indicated there was no death, maybe someone close to Maura, someone she considered like a family member DID die. If we believe the report of her crying episode a few days earlier,those tears were in response to something stressful. The episode may have been associated with some sense of loss, possibly a death or maybe not. What happened to Maura the evening of February 9, and her decision to drive north into NH appear to be two separate issues. Consider the cases of Louise Chaput (2001 at Pinkham Notch)found dead, multiple stab wounds; Pamela Webb (1989 in wooded area off Rte 3 in Franconia)skeletal remains found, homicidal violence of unspecified nature. This is why what a person plans for the day and how they end up, need to be considered as two separate issues. A person may follow an intended plan but does not necessarily anticipate being the victim of foul play.

This is the funniest, most clueless collection yet. I'm sure the output won't last long though.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

This is the funniest, most clueless collection yet. I'm sure the output won't last long though.
Bill

you are a sad individual Bill and that is being Kind. They have medication for what ails you. Take a nap it might help.

jwb the real original one wrote:

Go to bed WTH or snuggle up to a good perry mason book and say to yourself " I am the man Everyone and I know it all."
in Memory of WTH
The turtles

Let's be more understanding of Bill. Agreed, he may not be too warm a fan of CSI or old Perry Mason reruns or dedicated armchair sleuths, but he has a great deal of experience involving helping people. Years of experience. I believe he may have even searched for Maura, possibly even was a leader of a search party. Bill means well, just gets a bit riled when he sees the word "trooper" on this site. As a responder to accident scenes, and searching for missing people, Bill has seen and admired the dedication and hard work of LE. In this respect I agree with Bill. The country would be a sad state of affairs without dedicated individuals who work in law enforcement.

jwb wrote:

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ok, got an idea if you are a WTF,wowzer (the real one) or snowy follower. The rest of us will call you turtles. When you pop your heads out when we mention the trooper or school bus driver , then we will say the turtle soup is warming up? ok? everyone on board?
we are ducks and you are turtles oh the fun of it all.

Turtles? You must mean wolverines.

ok, lets take it easy on Bill.

mauracomehome wrote:

While we're pondering SP activity here...Theres a similar situation with the Brianna Maitland case,an officer comes across the scene of her strange accident&as I believe "goes off shift" and doesnt bother mentioning it to anyone...Were both girls run off the road?Did both accept a ride from a "safe" officer....This has always been a possible explanation/reason for a coverup in my eyes.

Over the years speculation has existed that there is either a rogue member of LE who is cruising the VT, NH area or an individual with military training, special training, etc. Who knows. Initially, I did not share this opinion, but increasingly as I research more recent and older cases it becomes apparent why people share this belief. People have disappeared, others have been murdered and there's most often little or no evidence left behind which would help investigators.

aftermath wrote:

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"Yep!" Sounds like one mighty fine case of burnout to me.... Maybe a candidate for retirement? Blaming, tired, etc. Investigated? Fortunately, Billy's mother did the investigation regarding the phone bill...or no one would have known about the phone call to the Salamones. This is just one fine example that you might do well not to underestimate the abilities of armchair sleuths out here in cyber land.

Oh yeah. I forgot about that. That was the clue that broke the investigation wide open. Oops, I almost forgot. The Salamones don't even remember the conversation. That was a good exercise.

And I defy anyone one of you to find one place where I reference "the ducks".

I'll let you go back to your hen session. Its fun to play the part of Shack. Just lob a turd over the wall and watch then run around doing a fire drill for six hours. I wonder who will wear out first?

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Oh yeah. I forgot about that. That was the clue that broke the investigation wide open. Oops, I almost forgot. The Salamones don't even remember the conversation. That was a good exercise.
And I defy anyone one of you to find one place where I reference "the ducks".
I'll let you go back to your hen session. Its fun to play the part of Shack. Just lob a turd over the wall and watch then run around doing a fire drill for six hours. I wonder who will wear out first?
Bill

Correction. The said they did not remember the conversation. Let's consider all of the possibilities regarding that call to inquire about the availability of a condo. I believe Maura had two low-paying part-time jobs. Rent a condo? Some of those will run $2000 per month! Her call may have not exactly been about a condo. Investigators usually do not believe everything they are told. I have no doubt that Maura did call. My doubt rests with the "condo" inquiry part. Adding to my doubt is that piece of info regarding a cell phone pinging off a Sprint tower located in the Londonderry NH. Someone within a 22-mile radius of that tower phoned Maura at sometime between noon and midnight the same day she disappeared. Think out-of-the-box Bill....this unknown caller may have been driving north on I-93. He may have phoned Maura before or shortly after the time she left Amherst...to let her know that he was heading north to meet her. Or possibly he had phoned her at some time later and this is why she'd not accepted help from SBD. She was aware someone would be arriving shortly.

aftermath wrote:

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Correction. The said they did not remember the conversation. Let's consider all of the possibilities regarding that call to inquire about the availability of a condo. I believe Maura had two low-paying part-time jobs. Rent a condo? Some of those will run $2000 per month! Her call may have not exactly been about a condo. Investigators usually do not believe everything they are told. I have no doubt that Maura did call. My doubt rests with the "condo" inquiry part. Adding to my doubt is that piece of info regarding a cell phone pinging off a Sprint tower located in the Londonderry NH. Someone within a 22-mile radius of that tower phoned Maura at sometime between noon and midnight the same day she disappeared. Think out-of-the-box Bill....this unknown caller may have been driving north on I-93. He may have phoned Maura before or shortly after the time she left Amherst...to let her know that he was heading north to meet her. Or possibly he had phoned her at some time later and this is why she'd not accepted help from SBD. She was aware someone would be arriving shortly.

OK, I'll play... a little. You need a geography lesson. Why would someone traveling up I-93 heading to Bartlett be going anywhere near where Maura was? It is hours out of the way. This isn't thinking out of the box. It's using common sense. She didn't call anyone from that crash site. There was no way this mystery person would know that she had crashed. And logic dictates that the mystery person wasn't going to be passing Maura heading up I-93.

Bill

Oh, and I am just playing along with the phone call theory. Don't know if that happened at all either. That has never been completely clear to me that any phone call actually went through.

Has someone proved that call actually was received by Maura, or sent by Maura?

Bill