Maura Murray

WTH-the-original wrote:
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Again, speaking from experience. I have seen it over and over. When you arrive on the scene of an accident with no operator on the scene. Ninety nine percent of the time the reason no one is there is because they were legally drunk and they ran from the scene. When there is alcohol in the car, opened, splashed around inside. It is one hundred percent of the time.
When you hear hoof-beats think horses, not zebras and certainly not unicorns.
Bill

Bill,
The "splashing" of alcohol? The hoof beats of horses, not zebras and certainly not unicorns? Talk about spontaneous mention of sexually symbolic animals riding onto the scene! Bill, are you slipping down a few oysters with that popcorn? Wow! Getting a bit wild, Bill. Who knows who did the splashing. Any evidence in or around the Saturn was compromised. In fact, the Saturn was towed off to a local garage and not immediately impounded. The inside and outside area of the Saturn was not treated or protected like a crime scene that night. It was treated like an abandoned vehicle incident. So let's not be too confident as to the identify of the "splasher."

jwb wrote:

From Hanson Express Feb 2008
Murray is looking for a few specifics from the New Hampshire police. He wants to know why the report of the state police officer on the scene isn’t being provided to the public. He wants to know what’s happened to a bloody knife he turned in as evidence, and a section of carpet a team of private investigators found at a nearby house. He also wants the police to ask the FBI for help.

It seems NH le restricted FBI involvement to MA? If this was the case, even the FBI might have been restricted from inquiring where the NH trooper was for that 2-hour period the evening of Feb 9, 2004.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>thd ruck was seen by RO at the Swiftwater Station/The Stage Stop (not sure what the name was in 2004). It had out of state plates--she believes Massachusetts. The lighting in the entranceway to that parking lot is good---one wouldn't confuse red with blue or black there. It slowed down checked her out and took off--like the driver was looking for someone.
A resident on Bradley Hill Rd reported seeing a Red pick up truck parked on the side of the road the same evening. Do your research. Oh, by the way, LE was pulling over red pick up trucks that night in the area as well.

I did research. The woman who observed the red truck brake light repeatedly turn on thought the vehicle had slowed down as though the driver were looking for someone. I'm wondering if they filtered the 2004 registrations of all "red truck" owners for the vicinity of Fairlee NH north, and Wakefield MA to determine who was drawn to the color red? No, don't think so. Not about to happen.

aftermath wrote:

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It seems NH le restricted FBI involvement to MA? If this was the case, even the FBI might have been restricted from inquiring where the NH trooper was for that 2-hour period the evening of Feb 9, 2004.

Very good point

It would be interesting to see the NHSP logs for that night for troop f .

WTH-the-original wrote:

And just to be clear. This still has nothing to do with the theory that she was waiting to be picked up by this person. That still makes no sense to me.
Bueller, Bueller, anyone???
Bill

Bill,
I believe that it does not make sense to you, given your selective reasoning ability.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Snowy,
Mr Renner seems to be stuck.
I don´t consider it likely that he shall be able to get anywhere far in unravelling Maura´s case.
Initially I had some hopes that he just might have a chance to do so, but IMHO he seems to be following a rather blinkered course in his investigations. A shame.

it's not clear to me that he's "stuck". his work appears in fits and starts. he has been more aggressive and fact-based in his research, and has achieved a better result over a shorter time frame than the public has on forums.
i trust he'll continue to be self-motivated, either contractually or as a for-profit career endeavor....either way, i'd be surprised if he's through.

mauracomehome wrote:

Thinking out loud here:Maura was at the A Frame,Duct Taped,The landline had a long distance block,She managed to get to the phone,used the calling card but because of the duct tape could only wimper&sob..What time was the call?Did these people go out to work?

I've read that someone had given Maura a phone card as a gift and I know that as a nursing student there may have been some type of situation whereby she was given a Red Cross phone card. However, first responders also have Red Cross phone cards (give to people in need, in emergencies, etc). This was even a greater practice after 9/11. I'm sure an abductor would not give Maura a Red Cross phone card, but she may have found one while in the trunk of his car or in building where she was being held.

If that was the case, why did she call Billy instead of 911?

aftermath wrote:

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I've read that someone had given Maura a phone card as a gift and I know that as a nursing student there may have been some type of situation whereby she was given a Red Cross phone card. However, first responders also have Red Cross phone cards (give to people in need, in emergencies, etc). This was even a greater practice after 9/11. I'm sure an abductor would not give Maura a Red Cross phone card, but she may have found one while in the trunk of his car or in building where she was being held.

aftermath wrote:

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Bumping for Maura,
The predator is someone who has great strength and he travels alone. He knows the area including woodland areas of Vermont and New Hampshire to a greater degree than most people. Very familiar with highways (Interstates and otherwise, including roads where people are told travel at own risk)in both states. He is familiar with the mountains and parks. He's in great shape. Not all of the "Missing" and murder cases in Vermont and New Hampshire are connected. The great tragedy is that too often they are seen in this light. L. Winans, once a participant in outdoor program, Sterling College and T. Reed, Assistant Registrar of Plymouth State College were both brutally murdered (Winans in the outdoors, Reed in her apartment). Some might say these two women were not victims of the same predator while others might disagree.

says who?
psychic-babble, again? or psycho-profiling?
Topix armchair sleuthing is alive and well as "entertainment". a hefty dose of magical thinking allows these fools to take themselves a bit too seriously.

jwb wrote:

With no new leads, FBI joins search for missing student
By Peter DeMarco, Globe Correspondent, 2/20/2004
The FBI has joined in the search for missing college student Maura Murray, but without a single lead
in the nearly two-week old case, New Hampshire authorities said the additional investigators might
not make a difference. Murray, a 21-year-old Hanson native and nursing student at the University of
Massachusetts at Amherst, vanished the night of Feb. 9 after crashing her car into a snowbank on a
rural road in Woodsville, N.H.
Police in helicopters and with their dogs searched the area for a second time yesterday, but with no
evidence that Murray fled into the woods, her family and authorities believe she either hitched a ride
and is on her own, or was abducted.

I believe the FBI investigation was restricted to MA? Everything else has remained with NH le and NH Cold Case unit.

A Browser wrote:
"If that was the case, why did she call Billy instead of 911?"

Browser,
Your question is an excellent one. Repeat your question several times to yourself. Get a piece of paper and write down every idea you can think of as to why Maura might have hesitated to phone police. I know Bill believes she was most likely drunk and did not want police to find her. So we have Bill's idea. However, try to come up with some other reasons as to why Maura may have decided against calling le. One possibility seems obvious, but let's not restrict our thoughts.

Here me out for a second *** warning*** speculation

It is assumed that Maura headed up rt91 to 112. What about the possibility that she went rt 93 instead so she could pick someone up. They would then take rt 112 out of lincoln so they could head towards Vermont
which she had searched on her computer. They were heading West on 112.The car stalls. I remember reading that it appeared that the car was backed into its final resting spot from peters road. The Bus comes from around the corner and she tells the passenger to duck because she is trying to hide him

Snowy wrote:
"says who?
psychic-babble, again? or psycho-profiling?
Topix armchair sleuthing is alive and well as "entertainment". a hefty dose of magical thinking allows these fools to take themselves a bit too seriously."

Sound's like the posting to which Snowy is responding caused her to react like some do to the word "trooper." Wonder why. The two topics seem unrelated, but both certainly cause some people like Snowy, et. al to react with a tone of hostility. Why? Let's begin to take note of the content of postings that elicit these hostile responses. Attempt to identify a common denominator in regard to the content of these particular postings that are consistently attacked, ridiculed.

If she checked her messages at 4:37 near Londonderry
that would put her in Swiftwater about 7pm

Then comes how to explain the car damage?

jwb wrote:

Here me out for a second *** warning*** speculation
It is assumed that Maura headed up rt91 to 112. What about the possibility that she went rt 93 instead so she could pick someone up. They would then take rt 112 out of lincoln so they could head towards Vermont
which she had searched on her computer. They were heading West on 112.The car stalls. I remember reading that it appeared that the car was backed into its final resting spot from peters road. The Bus comes from around the corner and she tells the passenger to duck because she is trying to hide him

jwb,
The Rte 93 as opposed to Rte 91 idea has been shared by others, including myself. There appears to be no certainty as to which route she used. Someone may have been hiding in the car or she may have been aware that someone she knew would be coming along shortly on Rte 112. They would both be traveling away from Lincoln toward Vermont as you suggest. This following behind idea has a lot of appeal for a number of reasons. Possibly this is why she risked driving the Saturn on a lengthy trip. She was fully aware an acquaintance was following maybe 10 or 15 minutes behind her. Why use separate vehicles? Possibly for the same reason Maura did not share with friends or family that she planned a trip north into NH.

aftermath wrote:

WTH-the-original wrote:
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Again, speaking from experience. I have seen it over and over. When you arrive on the scene of an accident with no operator on the scene. Ninety nine percent of the time the reason no one is there is because they were legally drunk and they ran from the scene. When there is alcohol in the car, opened, splashed around inside. It is one hundred percent of the time.
When you hear hoof-beats think horses, not zebras and certainly not unicorns.
Bill
Bill,
The "splashing" of alcohol? The hoof beats of horses, not zebras and certainly not unicorns? Talk about spontaneous mention of sexually symbolic animals riding onto the scene! Bill, are you slipping down a few oysters with that popcorn? Wow! Getting a bit wild, Bill. Who knows who did the splashing. Any evidence in or around the Saturn was compromised. In fact, the Saturn was towed off to a local garage and not immediately impounded. The inside and outside area of the Saturn was not treated or protected like a crime scene that night. It was treated like an abandoned vehicle incident. So let's not be too confident as to the identify of the "splasher."

Yep. The officer saw a red liquid splashed around inside a locked car. The officer found a bottle with a red liquid that smelled of alcohol outside of the car. He saw only one set of prints in the snow. So you hear unicorns, right? The alcohol fairy splashed that liquid around inside of the car, correct?

It is a perfectly legitimate method to block off certain avenues when the odds are so severely stacked against the way you know it didn't happen. It actually has a name. Occam's Razor. Seriously. Look it up. It may help you.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Yep. The officer saw a red liquid splashed around inside a locked car. The officer found a bottle with a red liquid that smelled of alcohol outside of the car. He saw only one set of prints in the snow. So you hear unicorns, right? The alcohol fairy splashed that liquid around inside of the car, correct?
It is a perfectly legitimate method to block off certain avenues when the odds are so severely stacked against the way you know it didn't happen. It actually has a name. Occam's Razor. Seriously. Look it up. It may help you.
Bill

Bill,
If the Saturn had left the highway once or twice on Route 112, and she was known to have purchased alcohol in MA, the possibility would be that alcohol may have been "splashed" around inside the car should not come as a surprise. Bottles might have been flying through the air when the car left the highway. Alcohol may have been splashed on Maura's clothing as well. In fact, the alcohol-splashing ceremony may be a well-practiced ritual for the area and may even have been practiced hours later. Who knows.

aftermath wrote:

Snowy wrote:
"says who?
psychic-babble, again? or psycho-profiling?
Topix armchair sleuthing is alive and well as "entertainment". a hefty dose of magical thinking allows these fools to take themselves a bit too seriously."
Sound's like the posting to which Snowy is responding caused her to react like some do to the word "trooper." Wonder why. The two topics seem unrelated, but both certainly cause some people like Snowy, et. al to react with a tone of hostility. Why? Let's begin to take note of the content of postings that elicit these hostile responses. Attempt to identify a common denominator in regard to the content of these particular postings that are consistently attacked, ridiculed.

the stupidity of BS elicits a reply. duh.
oh, and add to your failed observations, the serving up of partially digested BS and its being regurgitated. that, too.
happy to help. anytime.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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You are correct,(you didn't need me to tell you that) but it needs to be repeated. If the contractor did see her that far away. She would have undoubtedly been tired and even more important she would have been very sweaty meaning wet. Once the adrenalin wore off she would have had serious issues keeping herself from becoming hypothermic. Alcohol also causes serious issues with hypothermia. There is and always has been a very strong possibility that she succumbed to the elements.
Bill

Fact: If you did not see her, how do you know she was "undoubtedly" tired after running only 4 or 5 miles? Maura had been involved in track and very capable of running much longer distances than 4 or 5 miles. Alcohol use? She was not screened for alcohol or other drugs because she could not be found. She may have succumbed to something, but doubtful it was the elements.