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Bill,
If the Saturn had left the highway once or twice on Route 112, and she was known to have purchased alcohol in MA, the possibility would be that alcohol may have been "splashed" around inside the car should not come as a surprise. Bottles might have been flying through the air when the car left the highway. Alcohol may have been splashed on Maura's clothing as well. In fact, the alcohol-splashing ceremony may be a well-practiced ritual for the area and may even have been practiced hours later. Who knows.
Well, since you have asked. Everyone knows. Look through the previous material. It is in the officers report.

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jwb the real original one wrote:
<quoted text> The A frame is a stones throw from the accident site. I drove it recently. The knife was said to belong to the brother that lived in the A frame.
jwb,
I'm hoping to visit the area next June or July and drive around the area (Rte 112) as well to have a better understanding of distances involved.
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WTH-the-original wrote:
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Well, since you have asked. Everyone knows. Look through the previous material. It is in the officers report.
Bill
Bill,
A lot of people seem to be more interested in the trooper's report. It seems almost everyone is aware of the local officer's report.

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aftermath wrote:
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Fact: If you did not see her, how do you know she was "undoubtedly" tired after running only 4 or 5 miles? Maura had been involved in track and very capable of running much longer distances than 4 or 5 miles. Alcohol use? She was not screened for alcohol or other drugs because she could not be found. She may have succumbed to something, but doubtful it was the elements.
A witness claims to have seen someone matching Maura's description.

Maura was capable of running those distances. Maura still would have been tired. Maura still would have been sweaty. It was cold enough that without proper food, water to keep her furnace going. She could have very easily succumbed to hypothermia, especially if she was in "hide" mode, as it clearly appeared she was.(see earlier information to support that theory)

So we have the possibilities:
Using Occam's law. What do you come up with?

1.(horse) Maura succumbed to the elements
2.(horse) Maura was picked up by someone and dropped off somewhere
3.(zebra) Maura found the only killer in the area
4.(unicorn) Maura was abducted by space aliens.

Without further evidence, I'll pick the first one but the second one could have happened also. The third one is an outside bet but possible. I personally like the fourth one the most, but I consider it a real long shot.

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aftermath wrote:
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A lot of people seem to be more interested in the trooper's report. It seems almost everyone is aware of the local officer's report.
Who said he wrote one? Why would he need to? If he saw nothing, what was there to report? How do you know that there isn't a report you are just not privy to?

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Bill,
A lot of people seem to be more interested in the trooper's report. It seems almost everyone is aware of the local officer's report.
aftermath,
I couldnīt agree more.
The big question here is whether State Trooper J K-M ever filed a report at all.
If he did so, would it be at all possible to make a FOI request for such a theoretical report to be released from the archives of the NHSP?
Doubtful, perhaps, but certainly worth a try for some of the US citizens active on this forum.
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I see where you're going with this. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but is there really any basis for the rogue cop theory, other than the "psycho babble" and rumors? With the prevalence of some of the tv shows Bill mentioned, people seem to think that cases can be resolved with the wave of a magic wand. The reality is that these matters are complicated and take time, often a lot of time. When a resolution isnt immediately forthcoming, the police suddenly become the bad guys and the inevitable speculation begins. They have a tough job to do, a thankless one. The old saying "no good deed goes unpunished comes to mind. I'm not saying rogue cops don't exist, I just don't think there is one here.
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"If that was the case, why did she call Billy instead of 911?"
Browser,
Your question is an excellent one. Repeat your question several times to yourself. Get a piece of paper and write down every idea you can think of as to why Maura might have hesitated to phone police. I know Bill believes she was most likely drunk and did not want police to find her. So we have Bill's idea. However, try to come up with some other reasons as to why Maura may have decided against calling le. One possibility seems obvious, but let's not restrict our thoughts.
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Bumping for Maura wrote:
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aftermath,
I couldnīt agree more.
The big question here is whether State Trooper J K-M ever filed a report at all.
If he did so, would it be at all possible to make a FOI request for such a theoretical report to be released from the archives of the NHSP?
Doubtful, perhaps, but certainly worth a try for some of the US citizens active on this forum.
Bumping for Maura,
If my son were missing and I had become aware that a trooper or anyone else for that matter may have dropped by an accident scene where my son was last seen, I would want to know what he/she may have observed. I can understand why information might be kept from me for one, two, or three years but would have great difficulty understanding why this would be the case after almost 7 years had passed.
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A Browser wrote:
"I'm not saying rogue cops don't exist, I just don't think there is one here."

A Browser,
You sound confident in your belief. I envy your confidence and wonder if you might share why you hold this belief." Thanks.
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Regarding State trooper J K-M, I have read various suggestions on various MM boards that he might have been off-duty at the time of Mauraīs accident on Rte 112.
Whether this indeed was the case or not is, as far as I know, a huge question-mark.
No confirmation either way regarding this matter has been forthcoming as far as I know.
Which, again, makes me wonder why this shroud of secrecy regarding the actions of the trooper is being maintained by the NHSP.
All this adds up to even more confusion and nagging questions, which might have no bearing, but none the less begs the pertinent question:
Why this seeming web of secrecy???

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YAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

This isn't even that entertaining. It's more of a real snoozer. There aren't even better more ridiculous theories. Just a rehash of stale moldy oldies. I don't think you people are really trying that hard. Surely you can do better than this. Your predecessors had much wilder imaginations that ran the gamut from mildly delusional to full blown psychotic breaks. This are just the same hum-drum questions that have been answered before. And if they haven't been answered its because no one knew the answer. Spinning, spinning, spinning and whirling. Look at that windmill go.

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WTH-the-original wrote:
YAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
This isn't even that entertaining. It's more of a real snoozer. There aren't even better more ridiculous theories. Just a rehash of stale moldy oldies. I don't think you people are really trying that hard. Surely you can do better than this. Your predecessors had much wilder imaginations that ran the gamut from mildly delusional to full blown psychotic breaks. This are just the same hum-drum questions that have been answered before. And if they haven't been answered its because no one knew the answer. Spinning, spinning, spinning and whirling. Look at that windmill go.
Bill
Here's a definite real possibility, even a probability, as RC would say. She was celebrating a birthday with this guy, Daniel Andreas San Diego, believed by the FBI to be in the Northampton MA area recently. So he must have been here in 2/2004 for his birthday and something happened that was totally craaaaaazy. Maybe Maura was an animal liberator and they freed the imprisoned fishies in the Connecticut River and when she drowned by accident Daniel left her car on the side of the road because he was going to free the black bears from their winter sleep and he, too, got lost in the sub-zero, above average temperatures on the clear, cloudy, stormy, calm middle of the night in the middle of nowhere with lots of houses around after dinner time and that - THAT - is when the great eggo monster flying east on Rt. 112 forced the Saturn off the road in a spin of message rings that when triangulated with Saturn's rings give the location of the goose in the sky called. I forget what he's called. Cygnus. It's got something to do with Cygnus and Maj. Gen. Bruce M. Lawlor (ret.) and Maris Licis and the advertising for Bretton Woods. This is a good start. Online, armchair sleuths and even those who worship at the altar of Common Sense should take this opportunity to go forward and solve, solve, solve...

Oh, Bill, open your mind.


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/d...

Didn't want you to get bored.
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A Browser wrote:
I see where you're going with this. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but is there really any basis for the rogue cop theory, other than the "psycho babble" and rumors? With the prevalence of some of the tv shows Bill mentioned, people seem to think that cases can be resolved with the wave of a magic wand. The reality is that these matters are complicated and take time, often a lot of time. When a resolution isnt immediately forthcoming, the police suddenly become the bad guys and the inevitable speculation begins. They have a tough job to do, a thankless one. The old saying "no good deed goes unpunished comes to mind. I'm not saying rogue cops don't exist, I just don't think there is one here.
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this makes sense....at least to me.
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Thank you, Bill. Couldnīt agree more. It seems like some people are not happy with recent sleuthing into mr Noble and the Carpenter family. Thatīs when this BS started. Hey got an idea: letīs blame a local!
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so hannah you never answered the question about the duct tape. You had said they determined that it was not related to Mauras disapearance. Can you direct us to where you read or heard that or was that the skull you were thinking of?
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jwb wrote:
so hannah you never answered the question about the duct tape. You had said they determined that it was not related to Mauras disapearance. Can you direct us to where you read or heard that or was that the skull you were thinking of?
That was recently discussed on this forum, and a local poster claimed the findings to have been determined unrelated to Maura. This particular poster was one I hold in high regard as being truthful and credible. But note, I wrote "reportedly". It wasnīt a mixup with the skull, this discussion was earlier than the news on the skull.

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Beagle wrote:
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Here's a definite real possibility, even a probability, as RC would say. She was celebrating a birthday with this guy, Daniel Andreas San Diego, believed by the FBI to be in the Northampton MA area recently. So he must have been here in 2/2004 for his birthday and something happened that was totally craaaaaazy. Maybe Maura was an animal liberator and they freed the imprisoned fishies in the Connecticut River and when she drowned by accident Daniel left her car on the side of the road because he was going to free the black bears from their winter sleep and he, too, got lost in the sub-zero, above average temperatures on the clear, cloudy, stormy, calm middle of the night in the middle of nowhere with lots of houses around after dinner time and that - THAT - is when the great eggo monster flying east on Rt. 112 forced the Saturn off the road in a spin of message rings that when triangulated with Saturn's rings give the location of the goose in the sky called. I forget what he's called. Cygnus. It's got something to do with Cygnus and Maj. Gen. Bruce M. Lawlor (ret.) and Maris Licis and the advertising for Bretton Woods. This is a good start. Online, armchair sleuths and even those who worship at the altar of Common Sense should take this opportunity to go forward and solve, solve, solve...
Oh, Bill, open your mind.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/d...
Didn't want you to get bored.
Holy crap Beagle! That's exactly what I was thinking happened too. It was the bear that clued me in. They were really mad that someone tried to wake them. I saw that eggo monster too high in a pine tree just waiting for another car to break down or slide off the road. Scared me so that I wanted to race to DD's to get a peppermint hot chocolate and calm down. Phew!
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So, any theories on who posted the pictures on Go Rowing? This I find very interesting, if true.

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jwb wrote:
so hannah you never answered the question about the duct tape. You had said they determined that it was not related to Mauras disapearance. Can you direct us to where you read or heard that or was that the skull you were thinking of?
JWB since you're looking for questions to be answered how bout answering mine that I asked you a while back which you ignored so I'll ask again.
Since it seems Maura might have been heading your way I asked if you had a red truck and where you were on the night she went missing. I also asked if you were a stalker since you were so upset about my address not being shown. So are you a stalker?
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I just realized that spy cams might have seen her. They see everything. One of them saw the soap scum on my bathtub and NSA told me to clean it up, did I want to look like those animals in New Hampshire?

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