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Bumping for Maura wrote: So, basically we have four different and competing groups on this forum: 1. Those who more or less suggest that there is some kind of cover-up within the ranks of the Murray family regarding Maura´s past and the events leading up to her disappearance and perhaps beyond? 2. Those who favour the theory of Maura as a run-away, either by premeditation or by default as a consequence of her NH accident. 3. Those who suggest that Maura fled from her wrecked car and by doing so perished in the cold due to "natural reasons", however horrible. 4. Those who suspect some kind of foul play, not necessarily excluding a possible rogue LE element. It is interesting to ponder the fact that most private investigators involved in Maura´s case do seem to lean towards the foul play theory, one way or other. I wish that one or two of these PI´s would consider getting involved on this forum again, as has happened previously. The problem with the investigators is they have NO fact or evidence to back up the foul play theory. It seems some of them couldn't even get along together. I believe they based this theory on statistics and nothing more. Do I think possible foul play could have occurred, yes but no where near as likely as hypothermia. We have little to no facts or evidence after Maura left the scene other than the contractor believing he saw her miles down the road. I tend to believe it could have been her because who the heck else would be in that desolate location at that time of night and it seems if memory serves me correctly he had the clothing description right as well as having a backpack. I try to keep it simple and go on what we have, alcohol, exertion, fatigue, and the elements equal a prime candidate for hypothermia. I also feel the Murray's did leave some elements of Maura's life out as they felt it wasn't relevant and may tarnish her all American girl image portrayed by the media. I think she was a typical college student, decent kid and was somewhat lost in life and it got the best of her. I think the least likely is she left of her own accord and rogue LE theory. She would have needed help and financial aid to disappear under those circumstances and immense luck not to be discovered by now, but stranger things have happened.
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jwb wrote: Hannah who is this person of high regard? maybe they can help and repeat the information? Maybe bill or wowzer knows. You really need to pay more attention. If you read past posts you'll find it. It wasn't all that long ago.
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jwb
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looking4amoose wrote: <quoted text>That's Fred's rendition.......what do the police report about it and why not contact local LE (local to him, not the accident) to handle it? I agree
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NHwoodsman52 wrote: <quoted text> The alleged duct tape and hair to my knowledge has NEVER been verified as being a true story and I believe ( not 100% sure ) when the poster was pressed about this he or she fell of the map. Never to be heard from again after throwing that bit of information out. I believe you are correct.
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jwb
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NHwoodsman52 wrote: <quoted text> The problem with the investigators is they have NO fact or evidence to back up the foul play theory. It seems some of them couldn't even get along together. I believe they based this theory on statistics and nothing more. Do I think possible foul play could have occurred, yes but no where near as likely as hypothermia. We have little to no facts or evidence after Maura left the scene other than the contractor believing he saw her miles down the road. I tend to believe it could have been her because who the heck else would be in that desolate location at that time of night and it seems if memory serves me correctly he had the clothing description right as well as having a backpack. I try to keep it simple and go on what we have, alcohol, exertion, fatigue, and the elements equal a prime candidate for hypothermia. I also feel the Murray's did leave some elements of Maura's life out as they felt it wasn't relevant and may tarnish her all American girl image portrayed by the media. I think she was a typical college student, decent kid and was somewhat lost in life and it got the best of her. I think the least likely is she left of her own accord and rogue LE theory. She would have needed help and financial aid to disappear under those circumstances and immense luck not to be discovered by now, but stranger things have happened. Based on RF sighting and its credibility with NHSP that is why the duct tape might be important. It would be approx 2 miles from where he supposedly saw her and where the tape was found. very plausible.
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looking4amoose wrote: <quoted text>That's Fred's rendition.......what do the police report about it and why not contact local LE (local to him, not the accident) to handle it? That's a good question. The brother should have been questioned immediately by the police and he is the one that should have handed the knife to the police. After him and Fred and who knows how many others handled it it was pretty much useless as evidence. I don't think we know the full story on it. I think we only know what some want us to know.
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jwb
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text> That's a good question. The brother should have been questioned immediately by the police and he is the one that should have handed the knife to the police. After him and Fred and who knows how many others handled it it was pretty much useless as evidence. I don't think we know the full story on it. I think we only know what some want us to know. agree good points
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aftermath wrote: <quoted text> I've read that someone had given Maura a phone card as a gift and I know that as a nursing student there may have been some type of situation whereby she was given a Red Cross phone card. However, first responders also have Red Cross phone cards (give to people in need, in emergencies, etc). This was even a greater practice after 9/11. I'm sure an abductor would not give Maura a Red Cross phone card, but she may have found one while in the trunk of his car or in building where she was being held. very interesting information!!!did any of the first responders in this case live alone?
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aftermath wrote: <quoted text> It seems NH le restricted FBI involvement to MA? If this was the case, even the FBI might have been restricted from inquiring where the NH trooper was for that 2-hour period the evening of Feb 9, 2004. Another very good observation!LE wanted everyone to stay clear.
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jwb
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mauracomehome wrote: <quoted text> very interesting information!!!did any of the first responders in this case live alone? wow, great question. it is a valid one. come to the rescue oh you are a beautiful girl I will take care of you. Not!! ya know it is not silly to sleuth in this case because there are several Witnesses that say LE never interviewed them either at all or long after the accident.It as has been said more questions than answers.We must always keep in mind that it is an on going investigation and they can't release certain things. I do not take any position on the case but hold an open mind to all of the possibilities.We can only hope that 2012 will bring answers to all.
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jwb
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anyone able to help me get the " maine" location out of the moniker area? never been there. I live in woodstock nh and don't know why it shows maine. Not great on computers I guess. Do I need to re register with Topix?
Thanks
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jwb
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I feel a shift in the tide, but call me optimistic. I believe we can all come together and enjoy this site, share ideas and not bash each other. I really hope 2012 brings closure for all in a positive way. Be patient, be kind
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Shack
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The Caledonian Record newspaper was very attentive to Maura Murray. I still go back to their site and search into their archives section starting with February 13, 2004.
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jwb
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I agree shack , along with the Whitman express articles
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jwb
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unfortunately there has not been any new information made public in a very long time. Wonder if anyone else can back RF statements?Not that I have an opinion on RF statements but you must say that it is odd that he is the only one that we know of that came forward to say he saw her on the road and he lives so close to the accident. I am not implying anything but to say how odd it is.
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Shack
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jwb wrote: I agree shack , along with the Whitman express articles Yes, memory boosts.....
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jwb wrote: <quoted text> Based on RF sighting and its credibility with NHSP that is why the duct tape might be important. It would be approx 2 miles from where he supposedly saw her and where the tape was found. very plausible. The duct absolutely would be important to test for DNA IF ITS REAL! As I stated it seems NO one ever verified this and the poster seems to have ducked for cover when pressed. Some people like to push buttons, some like to look important and some are just plain idiots and that's what muddies the water in the Maura investigation and various forums. IF the duct tape is real where's the evidence of its existence?
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jwb
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NHwoodsman52 wrote: <quoted text> The duct absolutely would be important to test for DNA IF ITS REAL! As I stated it seems NO one ever verified this and the poster seems to have ducked for cover when pressed. Some people like to push buttons, some like to look important and some are just plain idiots and that's what muddies the water in the Maura investigation and various forums. IF the duct tape is real where's the evidence of its existence? He said that he took LE to the scene. I would think there would be validity to it or they could nail him for impeding an investigation.It is odd however that you haven't heard from him since. Did he ever post here on previous threads or was it just Amherst Topix ?
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jwb
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Mathews statements Feb 2010
I was hunting 7.8 miles from the site of the car crash of Maura and found cloths with duct tape with hair in the tape. I called the state police they said they would call me back. Then 4 days they called me and wanted me to show them where the cloths were since the first call to the police it snowed but we found them and never heard nothing else.
State Police should have the evidence if it is true.
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jwb
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mm website then asked mathew to contact them and the thread just stopped
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