Maura Murray

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

I just checked out (for the umpteenth time) the official accident report regarding Maura´s accident on Rte 112 in Swiftwater, as compiled by Officer Cecil Smith of the Haverhill,NH, PD, and available on the James Renner MM Blog.
One thing did strike me as perhaps somewhat worthy of some discussion here:
Officer Smith writes that he was assisted by Fire, EMS and a local resident (presumably the SBD, Mr Atwood) in searching for Maura in the evening of February 9th 2004.
There is no mention whatsoever of any NH State Trooper being on the scene and/or taking part in any kind of search for Maura.
I frankly find this somewhat odd.
If Officer Smith is being truthful in his report, and I feel certain that he is being truthful, then what about the supposed presence of NHSP Trooper J K-M on the scene?
I have been reading several reports over the years that this State Trooper supposedly went looking for Maura and even stopped for a brief conversation with the red truck witness RO in Swiftwater village.
Ideas, comments, theories?

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NHwoodsman52 wrote:

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I agree to an extent, but in my 20 years in a leadership position and commanders battle staff adviser in the Air Force I have seen some very intelligent and experienced people jump to some conclusions and go off the reservation wholesale. I always try to look at the basic facts, consider the improbable but still go with what I had. Sometimes the answer is too obvious and simple and sometimes people don't think it can be that easy and make situations something they aren't.
I think perhaps the investigators having years of seeing the bad side of people and crime as it is tend to go with the worse case scenario. I feel in Maura's case when LE arrived they felt it was another case of a DUI fleeing the scene and I am sure the college decal on her window may have backed up that belief. They based this on experience.
After facts came to light that LE didn't have from the beginning and time progressed then comes the worse case scenario theory, which I am not totally against, its just I like facts when going to the far side. When there is a possible homicide investigation peoples lives are changed, reputations ruined and names dragged through the mud. Small town whispers don't go away easily.
I think at times LE has to take a step back also and evaluate the impact of their statements before they are made. To some of them its just business but to the people involved its their life.

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hannah_b wrote:

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I too find nondocumentation the presence of the off duty trooper strange, odd and peculiar. Maybe there is documentation, though not released to the public? I also don´t know what the requirements are re paperwork when an off duty LEO stops at the site of an accident. I doubt he would have shoved Maura into his car and drove off with her in plain site of several homes though.

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hannah_b wrote:

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I am very wary of this post/er since the poster never posted on topix before or after making the claim. As you say, there should have been local gossip. "Mathew" didn´t exactly keep quit, he posted it to topix, so why no local gossip. It doesn´t add up.

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

An afterthought to my previous question:
I guess the one able to answer that question would be the witness RO since she reportedly spoke with the state trooper in question...

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hannah_b wrote:

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I am very wary of this post/er since the poster never posted on topix before or after making the claim. As you say, there should have been local gossip. "Mathew" didn´t exactly keep quit, he posted it to topix, so why no local gossip. It doesn´t add up.

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jwb wrote:

I was wrong abouT wowzer coming. Aftermath woke up Bill

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NHwoodsman52 wrote:

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By evidence I mean no items of hers found with blood, no blood in the car, no sign of a struggle, no clothing, no weapon connected to her, NOTHING. How can these detectives say she's a victim of foul play when there's nothing to go on, and they seem to have been open about the investigation. People have ego's and I would think if they found something concrete they would like the credit. As I stated I believe they are basing their theory on percentages. Most people that disappear like Maura are victims of homicide or kidnapping.
But, I see Maura's case as being a bit unique, she left town for unknown reasons other than she may have been under stress.
She had two alcohol related accidents days apart, it seems she didn't want contact with LE after her accident on rt 112. I do believe she ran off eastbound on rt 112, and I do believe she may well have perished due to hypothermia.
Hypothermia is a nasty condition that can catch you off guard and acts quickly. As I stated before even if one has training in dealing with it, time and the materials needed, additional clothing, shelter, and warmth. Once the uncontrollable shaking starts your in BIG trouble.
The rogue cop theory is just above alien abduction on my list, possible but highly unlikely. Police cars are noticed by EVERYONE, and people tend to check out cop cars and who's in them. Yes she could have been in the trunk, but an officer would take a huge risk of being seen.
I don't understand putting so much emphasis toward the least likely instead of the more plausible. Most plausible to me is:
1. Hypothermia, I've been there and you have very little time to react properly.
2. Abducted by someone taking advantage of the situation who had no plan at all to abduct someone, a fluke encounter. Fair possibility, but for me below hypothermia.
3. Started a new life and has been lucky as hell not to be found. She would have needed help such as transportation and money to leave the area. She would have had to find a way to create a new identity ASAP.
Life and experience has taught me that sometimes the answer is usually simple and obvious, sometimes so obvious we tend to think the answer is too easy or simple and overlook it. I tend to try to go with what facts are on hand and the only facts we have is she wasn't at the car when officer Smith arrived and that there's a good chance she was seem miles down the road which leans more credence to hypothermia.
I would hope that all of us on this forum one day know the answer to the Maura Murray mystery, but more so for the family and friends sake. Sadly as more and more years pass the chances of an answer seem slimmer.

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jwb wrote:

The time frame is baffling in that it was just so short of a time between the sbd call and the pd arriving. I just don't understand why they didn't go looking for her to the east or did they. Why did BA go to french pond road looking for her?

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aftermath wrote:

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jwb,
Yes, and take note of the specific comments that wake him up from a sound sleep. Talk about consistency. The residents who lived in vicinity where Maura disappeared undoubtedly had nothing to do with Maura' disappearance. Frightened? They may have been. Who knows. SBD who was basically hounded without cause by false accusations moved to FL and later died. It is my understanding that many, if not all of the other residents along the highway where Maura's car accident, no longer live in that area.

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aftermath wrote:

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Northwoodsman52 wrote:
"But, I see Maura's case as being a bit unique, she left town for unknown reasons other than she may have been under stress."
Northwoodsman52,
Many women who were homicide victims were possibly under a good deal of stress when they disappeared never to be seen again alive. Take for example Pamela Webb. When she was reported missing in July 1989, her pickup truck was later found on the side of the road on in the southbound lane of I-95 in Biddeford, ME. Signs of a struggle were evident near the truck. It would seem those driving by the scene should have, would have noticed something a bit unusual about a woman engaged in a struggle with someone at the side of the highway. P. Webb's body was later discovered in the woods off Route 3 in Franconia, NH. It was determined that her death was the "result of homicidal violence of an unspecified nature." I'm sure when she was struggling for her life at the side of I-95, she was under a lot of stress. I know you are referring to stress MM experienced for days prior to her disappearance. It's important to consider stress in terms of level, intensity, and duration.

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aftermath wrote:

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jwb,
Yes, and take note of the specific comments that wake him up from a sound sleep. Talk about consistency. The residents who lived in vicinity where Maura disappeared undoubtedly had nothing to do with Maura' disappearance. Frightened? They may have been. Who knows. SBD who was basically hounded without cause by false accusations moved to FL and later died. It is my understanding that many, if not all of the other residents along the highway where Maura's car accident, no longer live in that area.

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aftermath wrote:

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jwb,
Yes, and take note of the specific comments that wake him up from a sound sleep. Talk about consistency. The residents who lived in vicinity where Maura disappeared undoubtedly had nothing to do with Maura' disappearance. Frightened? They may have been. Who knows. SBD who was basically hounded without cause by false accusations moved to FL and later died. It is my understanding that many, if not all of the other residents along the highway where Maura's car accident, no longer live in that area.

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Bumping for Maura wrote:

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aftermath.
According to available public records it would seem that the Westmans and the Marottes still live live on Rte 112.
I believe that the construction worker (RF)has moved away as well as (obviously) the Atwoods.

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jwb wrote:

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I have noticed lots of for sale signs in that area.I can't blame them. bad karma etc.. or just coincidence. I earlier made mention about sbd houseconstruction done. anyone remember the time of construction?I am trying to remember what was done and I want to say the whole log look was done? Not positive.