Maura Murray

aftermath wrote:

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There WAS snow in the woods at the time she disappeared. If she ran, she ran on the highway. No way that a 21-year old female would run off into the woods even if she in advance would have known that you and "Snowy" would later be working overtime to push the "she was drunk and wanted to hide, we get'em all the time," theory. SBD did not tell her that he was going to call the police. Running off in the woods? Do you believe she thought she'd come across the yellow brick road in the woods? Land of sunshine, rest and opportunity? She was not stupid. I do agree that many low-functioning folk might try something like running off in the woods (even when they're not drinking). Familiar with the outdoors, Maura was aware of the dangers of ignoring the elements. She was an intelligent young woman who valued her life and would not risk it wandering around in the woods in February(just to avoid the police). She would have considered the consequence of what happens after trotting off into the woods? She would have considered the consequence of choosing that option. Your runaway into the woods theory is as nonsensical as the "Aliens got her" theory.

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Snowy wrote:

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TY, Beagle. i recall you had some unfortunate experience surrounding that issue. in this PC world, you can't even breathe the wrong way.

Snowy wrote:

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TY, Beagle. i recall you had some unfortunate experience surrounding that issue. in this PC world, you can't even breathe the wrong way.

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NHwoodsman52 wrote:

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First of all Maura may well have heard sirens from either LE or fire/rescue and panicked.
Second, it seems she was under moderate to extreme stress and wasn't thinking clearly or she wouldn't have put herself in that position to begin with. She left under secret circumstances, she had emotional outbursts before days she left.
Intelligent people do stupid things when panicked and adrenaline kicks in as well as alcohol consumption which only compounds all of the above.
I doubt she was thinking about danger or she would have stayed with her car and asked for help. She didn't want SBD to call LE, that indicates she was already afraid of the consequences of her actions. Adrenaline induced fear can make people do really dumb things out of character and not think of any of the impending danger or ramifications of their actions.
And from experience, people leave the scene DUI more often than you might want to believe, especially college age young adults. Considering Maura already had a previous alcohol related accident days earlier, she got lucky it didn't end with a DUI. What would daddy say if she got arrested for DUI and the Saturn was in his name so it isn't like he wouldn't find out.

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NHwoodsman52 wrote:

Whats next, Scotty beamed her up?

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FrmLE wrote:

SO a woman who lookes just like Maura, kidnapped her, killed her, dumped the body, then stole her car and crashed it on the curve?
Is that your theory?

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FrmLE wrote:

SO a woman who lookes just like Maura, kidnapped her, killed her, dumped the body, then stole her car and crashed it on the curve?
Is that your theory?

Beagle wrote:

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No, it's not MY theory. And you know that. It's not necessary to be pushy and sarcastic.
I merely want to know how reliable was SBD's ID of a person at the Saturn's crash scene. It would be nice to be able to rely on it more, but I don't see how that can happen, given what the public knows. Maybe I've missed something and his ID is very reliable, but I haven't myself seen that information anywhere.
If SBD said, for example, that Maura wore Banana Republic jeans, a purple and white Eddie Bauer ski jacket with a Cannon ski pass on it, a Brooks Brothers white cable-knit sweater, a gold necklace, and a pair of L.L. Bean hiking boots, then that would be pretty reliable because it would be so specific and include several items that could be compared to Maura's wardrobe. But I am not myself aware that his description was very specific.
Fast, eyewitness accounts of what someone claims to have seen are notoriously unreliable. Sometimes they're right, but many times they are wrong.
It seems that her presence at the WB curve depends mostly on SBD's visual ID of Maura, but we don't know how tested, how reliable it was. We don't know how time and talk may have influenced it. If Maura's behavior was unpredictable because of stress (or whatever), then SBD may have been in some kind of "action mode" with its own kind of stress-like effect.
If, for example, I said I stopped my vehicle in the dark at the same crash scene and later swore up and down that I saw Maura Murray, what would I be saying? That a young female was dressed like a million other New England college students, stood about 65-70 inches tall, had medium length dark hair, was light skinned? That would include a lot of people. Would you even totally believe me?
How long did SBD spend looking at her? 30 seconds? 45 seconds? Was he shown pictures of Maura alongside pictures of other young women - sort of a line-up?
How many untrained male observers would be able to say what the last stranger they talked to in the dark for under a minute was wearing?

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FrmLE wrote:

SO a woman who lookes just like Maura, kidnapped her, killed her, dumped the body, then stole her car and crashed it on the curve?
Is that your theory?

Frostman wrote:

I’m not suggesting that the perp. posing as LE/EMS/military was strutting around in full regalia – it might have simply been a crest, badge or decal subtlety displayed and surreptiously followed by “kind/concerned” words. An indirect lure… a generous smile.
Not sure about MM placing the rag in the exhaust before seeking a more favorable cell phone locale. So… either perp. used it as a disabling mechanism at a pit stop or MM thought it would help stall a potential car thief.
Any ideas as to where RF (contractor returning from Franconia) might be? Perhaps he could tell us where (exactly) he saw someone (maybe Maura) running eastbound on NH Rte. 112/116. It’s desolate&#133; no houses, no bicycles, no vehicles … even on the Google map cyber journey... there’s nothing.

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FrmLE wrote:

SO a woman who lookes just like Maura, kidnapped her, killed her, dumped the body, then stole her car and crashed it on the curve?
Is that your theory?

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Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Or, given what we know, the above statement could be re-worded.
"SO a woman, in the process of stealing Maura's car, killed her, dumped her body [instead of keeping it in the car], and crashed the car on the WB curve."
Or a woman, similar in appearance (especially as seen at night) killed Maura in MA, maybe hid her body, drove the Saturn into Haverhill, crashed it, talked briefly with SBD, and took off right after SBD left. After all, if Maura could disappear so easily, so could an attacker.

FrmLE wrote:

SO a woman who lookes just like Maura, kidnapped her, killed her, dumped the body, then stole her car and crashed it on the curve?
Is that your theory?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Isn't that just the coolest theory you have heard? I remember the first time I heard it. I wrote pretty much the same thing. I also asked them to read it out loud. When you actually say it out loud, it sounds like it makes perfect sense doesn't it?
Bill

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Frostman,
I like the way that you are willing to consider other possibilities than MM being a runaway, suicide/accident/hypothermia victim, etc, and for thinking outside the box.
Your reasoning is absolutely valid IMO and all alternative theories really should be taken into account where Maura´s perplexing case is concerned.
Now, if the construction worker (RF) is indeed telling the truth - and really, why should he come up with this kind of story without a foundation of truth?- it was most likelt Maura that he spotted on Rte 116 or Rte 112.
Again, it would certainly be helpful to know more exactly where the sighting actually took place. I have only seen it being mentioned as a spot some five miles east of the Saturn accident scene.

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>That would close mouths fast. Hits would decline, then advertising dollars (which makes Topix possible) would plummet, and then what? We'd be bored because we're cheap or broke. Or we'd make what we say really count.
What happened to the big-money idea? I can confess for the right price. Let's make a deal. I know exactly the right red and silver metal bench in Hadley MA where we can arrange everything. Email me a Merry Christmas greeting at least.

Beagle wrote:

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And how is one to explain that I was asked by a MA PI (May 2011) whether or not I killed Maura Murray? This PI is not some dummy gumshoe. He's a retired Mass State Police detective who was head of the MSP Behavioral Sciences Unit. He was involved by Maura's family shortly after she disappeared. He asked me to meet him. I did not ask him to meet me. I believe that the point of the meeting was to ask me if I killed Maura. I can see no other reason for his requesting to talk with me.(His initial request appeared in duplicate on the Amherst Topix around Feb 2011 and may still be posted there; moniker PSII, inc.)
If investigators are so convinced that Maura drove the Saturn to Haverhill NH, crashed it at the WB curve, and walked into the woods where she died, then why, after all these years, was I, an Amherst MA area resident, asked by a first-class PI, also an Amherst MA area resident, whether or not I killed her?
The PI's interest strongly suggest that someone in an established investigatory position thinks maybe something other than a voluntary disappearance took place in NH.