Maura Murray

What's been the general reaction to Byron Charles?

Beagle wrote:

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Post 2200 and 2201 on the Amherst MA Topix, 21 Feb 2011.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/amherst-ma/TD...
It wasn't until Friday early afternoon of Memorial Day weekend that I finally met with him on a bench outside of Target in Hadley.

Thanks for that link. The last page of that thread was very interesting. It's all been said before.

You all think Snowy, WTF, and Wowzer are difficult on people when you run the NH locals names through the mud, try saying something about FM or MM in MA and you will see some real tempers flare, a lot of defensiveness, enough to get a very lengthy and years long topix thread shut down. Something very strange about that when it happened. It's silly to think that her life in MA had nothing at all to do with her disappearance. She obviously wanted to get away, or it was made to look like she wanted to get away.

This accident and disappearing has always seem staged to me. Maybe it was staged to throw investigators off a murder, and maybe it was staged to help her to get away from MA. Don't think she would make it so far in those woods as to disappear in them unless she fell into a well or something. Dogs lost the scent at 100 yards from the crash in the middle of the road. Could the car have been delivered and that's why it was in neutral?

Splash some wine around in the car. Throw can underneath car. Get things from the trunk. Rag in tailpipe like Advocator said. Get in truck. Outta here. We have no idea who was there. Conflicting accounts, a flurry of activity, then poof, gone.

Why hasn't anyone seen the ATM video of her withdrawing money? In other cases such as these those videos are made public. The Disappeared show mentioned that no one was in the video with her. Why not release it then?

Patterson graduated UNC and BC Law. Maybe Maura's family can get these guys to investigate. I bet Jim and Bo could get answers pretty fast. Patterson was formerly assigned to JIATF-S.

http://www.amazon.com/Fighting-Todays-Wars-Am...

Beagle wrote:

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Good summary, but if you lived here you'd give more weight to Amherst. Not discounting any of the many possibilities in Haverhil NH. Just saying there is a beehive of activity in the Amherst MA area also.

Beagle,
You´re absolutely right, of course.
I should have included the Amherst,MA, angle in this context.
It is, after all, the last location where Maura was seen with absolute certainty.

In one of his/her posts earlier tonight Aftermath asserted that he/she had seen a reference by some PI(s) that Maura´s Saturn had suffered a flat tyre when found at the WB curve on Rte 112.
Could this assertion be substantiated?
Many thanks!

I'd rather be in Helsingborg.

just me wrote:

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The shopkeeper overheard the Construction worker making mention of the person he saw the night of the accident. That he remembered seeing somebody with a hoodie dashing along while driving home from his job in Franconia. The shopkeeper then told Fred, who then told police. They immediately cancelled a planned search for that section where the sighting occured.

Why would they cancel a planned search where the sighting occured?
I know they searched that area after hearing about the sighting because I saw the search with my own eyes.

Beagle,
Are you saying that the “Pharmaceutical Mafia” discover Maura is going to spill the beans on something she’s come across at UMass or with some sort of unorthodox clinical trial? She decides to get out of Amherst to NH to mull everything over. They put a tracer on her car and/or sabotage her car and snatch her. High-tech, paid hit-men… that would explain the tight timeframe at the accident scene... I’m sure it wouldn’t have been the first time this has happened.

The movies “Silkwood”,“The Constant Gardener” and “Michael Clayton” come to mind here… time for a re-watch to fuel the over-active imagination accompanied by a wee Christmas dram of course!

Frostman wrote:

Beagle,
Are you saying that the “Pharmaceutical Mafia” discover Maura is going to spill the beans on something she’s come across at UMass or with some sort of unorthodox clinical trial? She decides to get out of Amherst to NH to mull everything over. They put a tracer on her car and/or sabotage her car and snatch her. High-tech, paid hit-men… that would explain the tight timeframe at the accident scene... I’m sure it wouldn’t have been the first time this has happened.
The movies “Silkwood”,“The Constant Gardener” and “Michael Clayton” come to mind here… time for a re-watch to fuel the over-active imagination accompanied by a wee Christmas dram of course!

Don't forget Erin Brocovich.

aftermath wrote:

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Snowy,
One thing you are correct about is that no one can convince you of Maura's personal qualities, characteristics. You are always in the attack mode when it comes to Maura. Having surfed websites for years regarding Maura's disappearance, it has occurred to me time and again that for whatever reason you hold great disdain for Maura. Your attitude toward Maura is similar to that of a woman scorned. True, others have made negative, derogatory comments about her. However, over time your comments have always reflected a deep, unusual level of contempt for Maura. It's as though you have some type of personal interest in this case other than finding Maura. It's as though you are protective of someone, some
thing.

you are wrong, of course.
it is whiston who, from day one, begged info about her life before her disappearance. numerous others actively delved into her background, while i vigorously defended her privacy, and her family's privacy. bet you didn't see that, did you?
as time went on, and ducks attacked others in the name of MM, all the while distorting, hiding and excusing truths about her background, then suspicions about her activities and relationships prior to her disappearance substantially increased
again, you don't know her, right? you haven't met her, right? and if you haven't, you can't speak truthfully and accurately to the characteristics you have assigned to her..

LE continually believe themselves to be better than the law, better and more entitled than the average person. Look at the recent arrest of the head of the Hampshire County MA probation office. The entire MA probation department is riddled with corruption. Even common criminals know this better than the average white homeowner who just keeps his head in the sand.

I hope Chief Byron Charles is an improvement over Williams. What a disgrace! There are certainly some good cops, but too many of them are morally worthless.

Frostman,

Where's the big reward money? I thought you were going to tap Kringle.

Beagle,

If that's a "yes" to the question then the entire matter needs to be taken to an entirely different playing field in order to get results.

If this is purely for entertainment value then it's a different story.

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As far as the issue of accomodations (condo, hotel, etc.) is concered, it might be worth recalling that - IIRC - the 2004 Presidential primary had just ended (1/27?).(Used to be in March, but NH keeps wanting to be first in the nation.) As most NH residents know, every four years brings a crowd in winter. Not sure this has anything to do with Maura's disappearance, but some rentals may have been unavailable simply because they were not ready and clean enough to re-rent so soon.

Beagle,
...and additionally, Vermont's winter carnival was scheduled that week. Also, various conferences were being held in Burlington. Waiting so late to search for accommodations might have meant the plan to take a trip might have come up within a day or two.

Beagle wrote:

LE continually believe themselves to be better than the law, better and more entitled than the average person. Look at the recent arrest of the head of the Hampshire County MA probation office. The entire MA probation department is riddled with corruption. Even common criminals know this better than the average white homeowner who just keeps his head in the sand.
I hope Chief Byron Charles is an improvement over Williams. What a disgrace! There are certainly some good cops, but too many of them are morally worthless.

Beagle,
Moral corruption is rampant globally. It's everywhere. Unfortunately, it's often more financially lucrative over hard work and moral ideology. Corruption exists in government, private sector, everywhere. Many people do not enter their career hoping to be morally corrupt. Some do. For some it evolves over time. Fortunately, there are many individuals who set high standards for themselves, LE included.

Snowy wrote:

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so, the "not stupid", "intelligent" "familiar with the outdoors" young woman who "valued her life" is the same one who ran away from college in February, sans appropriate winter clothing, and lied to excuse herself from her academic obligations.
intelligent people are not immune from lacking common sense or from getting into trouble with the law.
sorry, you can't convince this audience...try as you may...that MM was not acting on a plan, whether spontaneous or carefully crafted, to escape some dark situation in her personal life, as clearly evidenced by the emotions and behaviors she exhibited prior to her leaving Amherst; if, in fact, she ever made the trip to NH. i'll add she was not positively identified where her car was last found.
seems you've been sent to Topix via a successive line of quackers to promote positive attributes to MM which defy the choices she made in the time period during which she was last seen.
of course, you don't know her, haven't met her, and you're simply parroting what her family would like the public to believe.
perhaps Renner can and will uncover more fact-based information in researching the book he intends to write.

Snowy,
With people like you involved in searching for Maura, thank goodness that Maura DOES have her family and friends rooting for her. You, my dear, as much as you dislike the thought, are the opposite extreme of Maura who was so very sensitive, gifted and intelligent.

Three women in the White Mountains. Two dead, one still missing after almost 8 years. All connected to vehicles bearing out-of-state plates. All brunettes. All had been traveling solo. At least 2 of the vehicles had flat tires. Yes, Maura's Saturn had a flat tire as did Pamela Webb's Chevy truck.

aftermath wrote:

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Snowy,
With people like you involved in searching for Maura, thank goodness that Maura DOES have her family and friends rooting for her. You, my dear, as much as you dislike the thought, are the opposite extreme of Maura who was so very sensitive, gifted and intelligent.

you knew her? you met her? doubtful.
i sense another proactive effort in advance of Renner's findings...which he will soon be reporting.

Snowy wrote:
"so, the "not stupid", "intelligent" "familiar with the outdoors" young woman who "valued her life" is the same one who ran away from college in February, sans appropriate winter clothing, and lied to excuse herself from her academic obligations."

Snowy,
Evidence does exist that Maura was intelligent. There is every reason to believe that she did value her life and that she was knowledgeable about the outdoors. There is absolutely NO evidence to support the idea that she "ran away" from college. True, she did leave Amherst and drove her car north into New Hampshire. This in no way indicates she "ran away." Had she run away from the university, she would not have bothered to provide supervisors and faculty with information that would result in an excused absence. By all indications it appears her goal was to provide a valid excuse, one which would allow her to have a few days away from campus for whatever reason without question. A death in the family would be the type of excuse which would be accepted without question. Had she said she was ill, people might have been knocking on her door. She evidentally wanted to be left alone for a few days or she would have informed someone where she was going, her plans. When you do not tell anyone where you are going, it is often because you do not want them to know.

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This is so accurate. I would say that about 80% of the opinions spewed on this forum are based on assumptions and speculation. Things like, "no way a 21 yr old would.." do this, or not do that.
People have no idea what really goes on, lol, if they didn't see it on TV they have no concept, and want to know what else? WE are the idiots trying to argue with people who have no idea what they are talking about!!
Same thing as the other thread, "She would have not gone into the woods, He wouldn't have run away into the woods, he would have curled up in a ball, she would have stayed with the car, etc etc etc.."
The things people do, whether they are drunk or not, often times make absolutely NO SENSE whatsoever!! People defy logic and common sense ALL THE TIME! If any of you ever base your theory on the assumption that someone MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING, or AOMEONE WOULD NOT HAVE DONE SOMETHING, you are already wrong right out of the gate.
PEOPLE DO CRAZY NONSENSICAL THINGS!!! All the time, every single day. Read the paper, watch the news. Seriously

Agreed...people DO engage in questionable behavior at times. However, it is insane to believe that a young female would trot off into the woods in February after dark! What nonsense. If it meant serving several years in prison, someone might attempt to avoid LE, but only a fool would risk his/her life to avoid spending a few thousand dollars on legal costs of a DUI/DWI if found to be intoxicated. Maura was not a fool. She would have chosen the highway. On previous occasions she did not run off when she had an accident. She remained at the scene of both accidents.