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Frostman wrote:

I guess the “evidence” at the scene, apart from the car, is that trained SAR dogs (Scarzini stated it was a bloodhound) lost MM’s scent 100-200 feet down the road. The dogs are certified and by all accounts the weather was clear. It’s been reported that there was no precipitation for two days after the disappearance. Historical temperatures and precipitation for February 9, 2004 are available on-line.
A “reasonable man” theory is that MM vanished in a vehicle. If she succumbed to the elements, it would appear that it was not as a result of directly walking away from the crash site near WB.
A trained SAR dog handler could better elaborate regarding the statistical accuracy of the canine units. I wouldn’t have a clue; our pound puppy is only interested in sheep and squirrels!

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hannah_b wrote:

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Absolutely true.
Aftermath, I for one am willing to consider foul play if there is any evidence - ANY - or at least strong indication of it. If you could please provide ANYTHING pointing to foul play as what happened to Maura I, and I would guess others, would be willing to reconsider your credibility completely. I would even personally apologize to you. But it´s gotta be better than hair color or foul play happened to X and Y, therefor foul play happened to Maura.

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aftermath wrote:

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Hannah,
My credibility is not at issue, at least not to me. The issue for me at this time is one missing female by the name of Maura Murray. You shut hair color from the equation, so be it. But consider if hair color DOES means something to this guy cruising the highway? True, our worldview, perceptions, etc, is based on our different experiences. So we are not on the same level playing field maybe. At least not in terms of 'why' he is influenced in his selection of victims by something as simple as hair color. Seems almost silly, doesn't it? I know. Must admit my first reaction to the possibility of something like hair color, was laughter (not a lot but I did laugh at myself...at least at first). For a very long time I was caught up in something. Denial of what my eyes were telling me. Did this for a very long time, through intellectualization, sadly. So I deliberately chose to stay open to all things, all possibilities. It felt safer and seemed reasonable. I have a very good idea of 'why' and 'about when' hair color began to possibly hold some special meaning for this guy....and not good special meaning. No. He is caught in a double bind situation. No other way to adequately describe it.

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looking4amoose wrote:

Good news folks....there is now an inkling of a cell phone signal at the "crash" site! I'm excited!

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Frostman wrote:

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Does that mean... if we went there today (Dec 31, 2011) we could call out? Or is there evidence of a call made in or out on February 9, 2004?
Happy New Year!

aftermath wrote:

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Bill,
Maybe mcsmom knows that oft times trolls trudge quietly around in the woodland making observations that others might never believe.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

I wonder why and how Maura ended up on Rte 112 at Swiftwater,NH, considering that she apparently (according to Wikipedia and other sources)brought with her specific road directions for Burlington,VT, and Stowe,VT, as found in her car at the WB curve.
She ended up going in the very opposite direction versus her seemingly original intentions.
Even if she for some reason missed the I-89 exit for Burlington,VT, when presumably driving north from Amherst,MA, on I-91, she could easily have exited I-91 at the US 302 exit near Wells River,VT, and from there opting for US 302 West towards Montpelier/Barre,VT, and eventually Burlington,VT.
The more I think about this, the more I actually begin to consider that something dramatic forced Maura to change her plans while driving north on
I-91.
Could something or someone have compelled her to abandon her original plans?

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aftermath wrote:

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Hannah,
My credibility is not at issue, at least not to me. The issue for me at this time is one missing female by the name of Maura Murray. You shut hair color from the equation, so be it. But consider if hair color DOES means something to this guy cruising the highway? True, our worldview, perceptions, etc, is based on our different experiences. So we are not on the same level playing field maybe. At least not in terms of 'why' he is influenced in his selection of victims by something as simple as hair color. Seems almost silly, doesn't it? I know. Must admit my first reaction to the possibility of something like hair color, was laughter (not a lot but I did laugh at myself...at least at first). For a very long time I was caught up in something. Denial of what my eyes were telling me. Did this for a very long time, through intellectualization, sadly. So I deliberately chose to stay open to all things, all possibilities. It felt safer and seemed reasonable. I have a very good idea of 'why' and 'about when' hair color began to possibly hold some special meaning for this guy....and not good special meaning. No. He is caught in a double bind situation. No other way to adequately describe it.

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Frostman wrote:

I guess the “evidence” at the scene, apart from the car, is that trained SAR dogs (Scarzini stated it was a bloodhound) lost MM’s scent 100-200 feet down the road. The dogs are certified and by all accounts the weather was clear. It’s been reported that there was no precipitation for two days after the disappearance. Historical temperatures and precipitation for February 9, 2004 are available on-line.
A “reasonable man” theory is that MM vanished in a vehicle. If she succumbed to the elements, it would appear that it was not as a result of directly walking away from the crash site near WB.
A trained SAR dog handler could better elaborate regarding the statistical accuracy of the canine units. I wouldn’t have a clue; our pound puppy is only interested in sheep and squirrels!

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FrmLE wrote:

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It sounds good in theory, however theory is often very different than REAL LIFE.
Honestly in real life the likelyhood of getting a good scent 2 days after is very small, very very small. I have seen very good dogs lose a scent of a person within 30 minutes of the person being there. For instance, a person who was seen running from a scene in a certain direction, BY ME, was tracked by a great NHSP dog less than 30 minutes after, and the dog tracked about 300 yards then lost the scent...
Try to remember, the dog can't talk and tell you what it semlled, why it lost it, how strong the scent was, nothing... It is hit or miss, it really is.
If you assign much weight at all to the track of the dog, and when the dog lost track, you are making a really big mistake.
Ask anyone who has experience, it's not an exact science.

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Det Columbo wrote:

Everyone out celebrating.? Drive safely.

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aftermath wrote:

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Bill,
Responsibility? Consider that you may need to visit and take advantage of your own advice. Possibly if you, et al had not been brushing away every disappearance and murder away as an automatic drunken, runaway suicidal individual gone wild situation, these incidents of missing and murder people might have been taken more seriously. Some may not even have occurred if you, et al could take a deep breath and come down from your patriarchal high horse for even a few weeks. Some tragedies may have even been avoided. Why? Because a serial killer may have taken full advantage of attitudes such as yours, et al. A killer is likely saying to himself, "Hell, I can just keep right on doin' what I been doin' and people like Bill, et al, will just chalk up another disappearance or murder to their drunken, runaway, suicidal young person theory. Given the backdrop of the number of missing and dumped bodies, especially females last seen alone (many with abandoned cars), some on foot.... maybe every abandoned vehicle ESPECIALLY WITH OUT-OF-STATE LICENSE PLATES needs to be treated a bit differently. Even if some serious consideration were given to these types of vehicle abandonment....it would at least be a start in the right direction.

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aftermath wrote:

mcsmom wrote:
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First, yes I've been there many times. Try coming from the East as I explained to you. Second, the year 2004 the snowbank to the entrance of OPR was pushed much further back, making what I am explaining highly possible. It fits with the Westmans claiming they did not see any headlights.
Third, why is this such an issue with you?
mcsmom,
Sounds like Wowzer is telling you what you are saying is BS? White Noise: Wowzer, WTH, Hannah, Madwife, jwb, Snowy...they do this a lot. They respond respond to any reasonable comment, post by becoming verbally combative and defensive. The group that seems reasonable in terms of theories, moderate in temperament and provides informative posts include: Det. Columbo, Beagle, Bumping for Maura,you (mscmom) and of course myself. It seems the White Noise group may be attempting to prevent a potential scandal and are attempting to redirect all conversation that might aid in finding Maura. Intuition tells me that they may even be attempting to protect somone or something. Watch how they always want people to take it all back to Amherst. I want to keep it in that area from about Claremont northward up through the Woodville area, including Route 112. There is some predator, primarily nocturnal who cruises the highway in VT, NH and ME...but his "den" is somewhere in the above-mentioned vicinity. White Noise group may even have a "fairly" good idea who this guy is....

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

Happy New Year to all my White Noise friends.
Everyone stay safe tonight if you're driving.