Maura Murray

Frostman wrote:

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Unless… it was a hastily hatched “drop and dash” and intended as a specific diversion on that Monday night, planned so that residents might immediately notice and call 911. Which might mean the engineers of this plan would know who was likely to be at home that evening... If that's the case, providing more clarification to that theory (how ever redundant) would be really helpful.

an intended 'drop and dash' is highly unlikely, imo.
to know why she ran from Amherst, lied to the UMASS nursing dept., and/or who she might have been running from/toward or traveling with would seem to offer more insight and have more bearing on why her car was found abandoned in NH.
it is somehow doubtful that MM was in any way important enough to be at the center of a planned crime, unless she was involved with unsavory circumstances or relationships.
whiston's persistent questions still have merit.

I wonder if Maura stopped at the rest area on rt 91 and if LE followed up on any possible video or sightings etc.. I remember a mention of a little lost time.

jwb wrote:

I wonder if Maura stopped at the rest area on rt 91 and if LE followed up on any possible video or sightings etc...

The one in Bradford? It is in Vermont, not NH so who knows? I wonder if the pavilion is seasonal, although it looks as if you could squeeze off I-91 and park for a minute, even if the drive was closed. Good place for a peek at the map to decide if you want to go to Burlington or Bartlett.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

I´m still trying - without much success - to ascertain whether the NH state trooper who turned up at the Saturn´s incident site by the WB curve was on duty or not at the time in question.
Would he still be able to drive his official patrol car if off-duty or would being off-duty demand him to drive his private vehicle?
Does anyone know the rules regulating this matter?
Thanks!

I don't know for sure but hearsay is that he was on his way home and stopped to see if he could be of assistance.
State Troopers often take their cars home. They cover a large area and it would be impossible to drive their own vehicle all the way to Twin Mountain Troop F to get a patrol car if they are needed.
Once they are off duty they use their own personal vehicle

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Snowy wrote:

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an intended 'drop and dash' is highly unlikely, imo.
to know why she ran from Amherst, lied to the UMASS nursing dept., and/or who she might have been running from/toward or traveling with would seem to offer more insight and have more bearing on why her car was found abandoned in NH.
it is somehow doubtful that MM was in any way important enough to be at the center of a planned crime, unless she was involved with unsavory circumstances or relationships.
whiston's persistent questions still have merit.

I totally agree.

Snowy wrote:

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an intended 'drop and dash' is highly unlikely, imo.
to know why she ran from Amherst, lied to the UMASS nursing dept., and/or who she might have been running from/toward or traveling with would seem to offer more insight and have more bearing on why her car was found abandoned in NH.
it is somehow doubtful that MM was in any way important enough to be at the center of a planned crime, unless she was involved with unsavory circumstances or relationships.
whiston's persistent questions still have merit.

Your point is well taken, but I would expand it slightly. I don't think she would necessarily have to have been involved with truly unsavory characters, as in habitual criminals.

For example - simply as an illustration - say Maura was hazed during Greek Week to the point where she accidentally died. Say that only two people knew about it because they were present. They didn't want to be held accountable and so dumped her body somewhere and drove the Saturn to Haverhill NH. I know that in reality this is very unlikely, but it is only posted as an illustration.

IOW, Maura may have died from over-drinking or drug use (including the use of nutritional supplements) and whoever was nearby or with her at the time panicked and make her disappear instead of calling the police. Suppose you woke up next to her after an intense night of partying and she was dead in your bed. Maybe you'd think twice before calling the cops, especially if some of your friends knew you sold nutritional supplements, or even steroids. Again, it's just to illustrate a point.

Not to be nit-picky, but I think a somewhat wider net could be useful if an Amherst direction were pursued by LE.

This was by Roz, Nov 10 2010

Nov 10, 2010 Maura had not made up the story about someone close to her having died. Those tears were real and her response, reaction had been spontaneous. She had not boxed her personal items for no reason. While she had absolutely nothing to do with this person's death, news of this death sent her reeling into emotional turmoil and a complete change in terms of where she physically and psychologically wanted to be. She had planned to move only after learning of this person's death. This plan to move, the auto accident and her disappearance were all separate and in no way connected. Maura had absolutely no plans to disappear. Her destination that evening was cut short by what happened to her enroute to Stowe, VT. She had no plans to intentionally disappear but had intended to reach her destination of Stowe. Attempts to connect the 3 incidents indicated above, have contributed to much confusion and misleading information.

Frostman wrote:

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Possible receipt combination for $40 = Wine 5 liters $12, American Vodka 750 ml $7, Kahlua 375 ml $10, Baileys 375 ml $11. If the liqueurs were 750ml and the magic total is $40 then maybe the wine wasn't on the receipt.
If you were having a wee nip from your box of wine en route wouldn't you leave it in the trunk in case you got pulled over? Presumably you'd pour it into a Coke bottle at a rest stop, not while driving. If there are wine stains on the ceiling of the Saturn caused from the crash, was the spout open?
If you were leaving willingly with a paramour you'd take the booze. If you were running away to find refuge for the night in an empty cabin, you'd take the booze. At least you'd put the wine in the trunk... not in full sight.
I guess only LE knows what was on the receipt, whether the box of wine observed behind the driver's seat was opened and whether the Coke bottle was MM's?
Maybe the wine was planted by MM's abductor or was part of a struggle when she was taken from her car? Maybe he threw a little wine around to make it look as if she'd been drinking and wanted to avoid a possible DUI?

LE and citigirl know what is on the receipt, citigirl stated that she has it but is keeping the information private.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Why would they cancel a planned search where the sighting occured?
I know they searched that area after hearing about the sighting because I saw the search with my own eyes.

oops, just happened to notice this post Wowzer, sorry.
I was saying what you were saying, just came out wrong I see. Yes, they cancelled a search somwhere closer to the swiftwater area and went to the Franconia area where someone was seen dashing along, trying to aviod attention.

Snowy wrote:

<quoted text>it is somehow doubtful that MM was in any way important enough to be at the center of a planned crime,

Actually, it's amazing how often pretty girls show up with the wrong people in the wrong place at the wrong time. For really no good reasons, private, illegal conversations often continue in the presence of attractive young women whom almost no one has ever met before. Jimmy Bulger is said to have killed at least one or two women who were essentially groupies.

I once knew a pretty young woman - nice family, college educated - who liked a handsome young guy and went sailing in the Caribbean with him. He decided to put in and gosh if they didn't both get arrested for drug smuggling. She spent a few months in jail. And it didn't even have the luxury of being in the U.S.

It can and does happen.

jwb wrote:

my beagle you drive fast, from MD to Mass in 20 min. Take it easy Beagle

Don't worry, it's not far. Maryland and Massachusetts are actually next to each other.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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LE and citigirl know what is on the receipt, citigirl stated that she has it but is keeping the information private.

Wowzer I believe you are misinterperitating what Iam saying. I have never seen a reciept from Mauras car and do not have any reciept from Mauras car. What I did say is I have a list of possesions that LE retrieved from Mauras car.

Beagle just made some very good points.Why is the past in amherst deemed unimportant?My daughter who will be an NP in May works at a methadone clinic in Cambridge Ma..She claims never in a million years would you guess some of these clients are involved in drugs (Harvard anyone?).Could the phone call&sudden death in the family be the overdose of an intimate?Would be interesting to find out if any young people died unexpectadly in the N.H.-Vermont area at that time.What was the amherst Past?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>honestly I dont know. But will try to get an answer for you.

Thank you

Frostman wrote:

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The one in Bradford? It is in Vermont, not NH so who knows? I wonder if the pavilion is seasonal, although it looks as if you could squeeze off I-91 and park for a minute, even if the drive was closed. Good place for a peek at the map to decide if you want to go to Burlington or Bartlett.

exactly what I was thinking (map) or if she was sipping on the wine one would think she might need to stop at a restroom.

what scared aftermath away? silent the past two days.

Snowy wrote:

<quoted text> Wowzer, you know by now that the public has been intentionally fed misinformation to thwart what is actually known about her life / conduct before she disappeared; right?
who the h*** would know how she carried her money and credit cards? who here is even credible enough to have verified that piece of information, then or now?
take everything you've read on these forums with a grain of salt; that's why Renner's account is interesting to follow as it develops.
Mason once challenged a long list of red herrings. he was, of course, on the right track.

Geez, you think you know everything don't you? Well, the following is information provided back in 2005 by a person close enough to know.

It certainly isn't misinformation unlike you who is so hell bent on making things to appear as if they are.

".....also missing are her license, credit cards, student id and the cash that she withdrew from the ATM and the black backpack. Maura did not carry a wallet. She folded her cash around her plastic items and kept them in a pocket."

and

"...She would have most likely had her packback (sic) on the front seat (the item in which she carries her wallet WHEN she carries a wallet - Maura most often just used her pockets to carry her cash and ID....."

Wowzer, you remember correctly.

just me wrote:

This was by Roz, Nov 10 2010
Nov 10, 2010 Maura had not made up the story about someone close to her having died. Those tears were real and her response, reaction had been spontaneous. She had not boxed her personal items for no reason. While she had absolutely nothing to do with this person's death, news of this death sent her reeling into emotional turmoil and a complete change in terms of where she physically and psychologically wanted to be. She had planned to move only after learning of this person's death. This plan to move, the auto accident and her disappearance were all separate and in no way connected. Maura had absolutely no plans to disappear. Her destination that evening was cut short by what happened to her enroute to Stowe, VT. She had no plans to intentionally disappear but had intended to reach her destination of Stowe. Attempts to connect the 3 incidents indicated above, have contributed to much confusion and misleading information.

Thank you just me! I drove myself nuts looking through 7k plus posts to find that post. Boy there alot of Beagle posts LOL and one right after another.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Geez, you think you know everything don't you? Well, the following is information provided back in 2005 by a person close enough to know.
It certainly isn't misinformation unlike you who is so hell bent on making things to appear as if they are.
".....also missing are her license, credit cards, student id and the cash that she withdrew from the ATM and the black backpack. Maura did not carry a wallet. She folded her cash around her plastic items and kept them in a pocket."
and
"...She would have most likely had her packback (sic) on the front seat (the item in which she carries her wallet WHEN she carries a wallet - Maura most often just used her pockets to carry her cash and ID....."
Wowzer, you remember correctly.

I had wondered if she bought the wine at shaws and used the atm to withdraw but I wasn't able to locate any shaws in that area with citizen bank atm most are in shop n saves from what I can see. she may have still stopped into shaws for the wine. Do grocery stores in mass sell alcohol? Just thinking.

jwb wrote:

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I had wondered if she bought the wine at shaws and used the atm to withdraw but I wasn't able to locate any shaws in that area with citizen bank atm most are in shop n saves from what I can see. she may have still stopped into shaws for the wine. Do grocery stores in mass sell alcohol? Just thinking.

The box of wine allegedly came from the party that she had been at the night before.....last I heard.