Maura Murray

Did anyone here on this site see John Monaghan in his cruiser or personal vehicle that night at the scene of MM accident?

I AM NOT saying He wasn't there, I am just trying to see if anyone can state FOR FACT what vehicle He was in.

I wouldn’t get too stuck on “a death in the family.” It was probably more the path of least resistance rather than a premeditated lie. If you want to get away for a few days to clear your head then you need to tell your nursing work experience supervisors that you will be absent. Those are the same supervisors/professors who will be grading your work experience so you’re probably not going to reveal all your personal problems to them. They need to see that you’re capable of dealing with patient’s problems in the field so you’re not going to say “I crashed Dad’s car, the BF hooked up with sister’s BFF, so I’m just going up to the mountains to drink myself into oblivion for a few days.”(Allegedly, not saying any of that is the case.)

If there is a UMass lover then why not cry on his shoulder in the comfort of your single dorm room? Unless, perhaps, you didn’t want to reveal all your problems to him as of yet?

As JT sings in my head… with ten miles behind me and ten thousand more to go.

Frostman wrote:

I wouldn’t get too stuck on “a death in the family.” It was probably more the path of least resistance rather than a premeditated lie. If you want to get away for a few days to clear your head then you need to tell your nursing work experience supervisors that you will be absent. Those are the same supervisors/professors who will be grading your work experience so you’re probably not going to reveal all your personal problems to them. They need to see that you’re capable of dealing with patient’s problems in the field so you’re not going to say “I crashed Dad’s car, the BF hooked up with sister’s BFF, so I’m just going up to the mountains to drink myself into oblivion for a few days.”(Allegedly, not saying any of that is the case.)
If there is a UMass lover then why not cry on his shoulder in the comfort of your single dorm room? Unless, perhaps, you didn’t want to reveal all your problems to him as of yet?
As JT sings in my head… with ten miles behind me and ten thousand more to go.

really?
consider, then, the implications for this "reasonable, organized and intelligent" young woman by having to inevitably explain to the nursing department the connection to her deceased relative upon her return to campus.
unless one is used to lying, it might be uncomfortable to accept condolences for one's grief; not to mention what amount of away time would be considered reasonable for an absence, depending on the relationship to the deceased.
quite simply - she lied.

Det Columbo wrote:

Did anyone here on this site see John Monaghan in his cruiser or personal vehicle that night at the scene of MM accident?
I AM NOT saying He wasn't there, I am just trying to see if anyone can state FOR FACT what vehicle He was in.

didn't RO come accross him? She can confirm it.

Snowy wrote:

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really?
consider, then, the implications for this "reasonable, organized and intelligent" young woman by having to inevitably explain to the nursing department the connection to her deceased relative upon her return to campus.
unless one is used to lying, it might be uncomfortable to accept condolences for one's grief; not to mention what amount of away time would be considered reasonable for an absence, depending on the relationship to the deceased.
quite simply - she lied.

I think Frostman is saying that she did lie but there was nothing else behind it. No hidden meaning etc. Am I reading you correctly frostman?

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Remind you of someone? Aftermath wrote his opinions as facts also. They are one and the same.

i see you have developed and refined your 6th sense in recent years, along with your sense of smell. when there's too much pushback away from facts and the assertion of endless fantasies, then the clowns morph into other characters. silliness, but ever so entertaining.

jwb wrote:

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I think Frostman is saying that she did lie but there was nothing else behind it. No hidden meaning etc. Am I reading you correctly frostman?

seems you have captured his conclusion...but i disagree because his assumptions are subjective evaluations.
i'd put more weight to the nature her 'excuse'. to my view, it reflects a absolute need to communicate a sudden departure without having questions asked.
in addition, my subjective view is that her excuse did require some purpose, intent or reflection before she made up the lie.
at the very least, she stopped to consider the consequences of abandoning her academic status, AND the lie is evidence of her intent/plan to leave campus. which then goes back to emotional reaction to the 'call'.
beyond that...i wouldn't draw any conclusions.

interesting re- read from Ann 1-04-09

After the accident 2/9/04 and all the chatter and then talking to my friend, I was simply relieved she was home and it was a minor accident it seemed. I never gave it a though until a couple weeks later someone mentioned a missing driver. I felt she was fine as she left in private vehicle and I figured when they had repeated the call and sent them all the way to the scene that was to be sure noone was there since they had the bol. As a matter of fact I never went to the scene until summer 2005. I was surprised as it didn't seem right with all the houses around. After that I thought about it a lot. People I asked simply said she had run away. It bugged me because it was such a complicated scanner call and I thought initially from the immediate young female description that someone had been killed. My friend whom I refer to that night had moved back to Florida because she was nervous about the criminal element in the area. I laughed when she said that as she moved back to Miami! I tracked her down in 2006 and she had wracked her brain to remember more and could not except my frantic (her words) calls on her answering machine. Although she had left work a cilantro late, about 5:30, she took her time as it had snowed earlier. She came 91 N. She said the drive was fine and she could have come the shorter way through NH. She also still remembers the drug dealings close to her home on Hill Road. Maybe as she headed toward Woodsville/Swiftwater is where she said she met returning rescue.(she made that statement when I finally got ahold of her on 2/9.) Honestly, that whole call has driven me crazy trying to figure out all that was said that night. It was so simple back when everyone was saying she ran away. I have not believed that since I unexpectedly learned the call was important in late 2005.

Snowy wrote:

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seems you have captured his conclusion...but i disagree because his assumptions are subjective evaluations.
i'd put more weight to the nature her 'excuse'. to my view, it reflects a absolute need to communicate a sudden departure without having questions asked.
in addition, my subjective view is that her excuse did require some purpose, intent or reflection before she made up the lie.
at the very least, she stopped to consider the consequences of abandoning her academic status, AND the lie is evidence of her intent/plan to leave campus. which then goes back to emotional reaction to the 'call'.
beyond that...i wouldn't draw any conclusions.

Snowey , you are saying the same thing as Frostman but in a different way. Frostman says she took the path of least resistance with her lie and you say "to my view, it reflects a absolute need to communicate a sudden departure without having questions asked."

Isn't that saying the same thing?

jwb wrote:

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didn't RO come accross him? She can confirm it.

If I remember correctly RO got sick of the locals being bashed and stopped participating on the forum along with a few other locals that left.
RO no longer lives in Swiftwater.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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If I remember correctly RO got sick of the locals being bashed and stopped participating on the forum along with a few other locals that left.
RO no longer lives in Swiftwater.

No problem. We didn't need RO or any of the other locals, we had Shack. Remember all the great things she helped with? Oh, wait a minute. She didn't help at all. She hindered us at every turn.

Sorry, I was confused for a minute.

Bill

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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If I remember correctly RO got sick of the locals being bashed and stopped participating on the forum along with a few other locals that left.
RO no longer lives in Swiftwater.

ah I was wondering if she still lived in the area or not. Someone here must have spoken to Ro at some point about it.

I was reading a post from Mason on another forum and it sounded like he was on duty and helped with the search and came across RO and then went to the Pike incident. Not sure about the validity of the post.

**I felt she was fine as she left in private vehicle and I figured when they had repeated the call and sent them all the way to the scene that was to be sure noone was there since they had the bol. As a matter of fact I never went to the scene until summer 2005.**
**It bugged me because it was such a complicated scanner call and I thought initially from the immediate young female description that someone had been killed.**
If I'm understanding this correctly in one paragraph she states that she felt the driver was fine as she left in a private vehicle and the BOL was just to be sure no one was there.
Then in this second paragraph she says she thought initially from the immediate young female description that someone had been killed.
So first the BOL was just to see if someone was there and then it changed to she thought initially that someone was killed.
If there was a first call it would have been at least in the dispatchers log and to my knowledge it wasn't. There was no evidence of a first accident and this person seems to be the only one that heard it on the scanner. When I asked her how she could be the only one that heard it she then said that someone else in her house also heard it or some such remark.
IMO there never was a first accident or I would have heard it that night.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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No problem. We didn't need RO or any of the other locals, we had Shack. Remember all the great things she helped with? Oh, wait a minute. She didn't help at all. She hindered us at every turn.
Sorry, I was confused for a minute.
Bill

The local help could have been a huge asset to them. Even to this day I don't understand why she was allowed to keep chewing off the hands of the very people that could have helped. I wonder if they realize just how much damage was done. I doubt it.
I can tell you that after all the rides down old logging roads, fire roads and places that were accessible in the winter where someone might hide or be hidden and the walks in the woods I took you can bet I kicked myself in the butt more than once when I read the pure dislike and disgust that was felt for the locals.
She hindered more than just us.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

**I felt she was fine as she left in private vehicle and I figured when they had repeated the call and sent them all the way to the scene that was to be sure noone was there since they had the bol. As a matter of fact I never went to the scene until summer 2005.**
**It bugged me because it was such a complicated scanner call and I thought initially from the immediate young female description that someone had been killed.**
If I'm understanding this correctly in one paragraph she states that she felt the driver was fine as she left in a private vehicle and the BOL was just to be sure no one was there.
Then in this second paragraph she says she thought initially from the immediate young female description that someone had been killed.
So first the BOL was just to see if someone was there and then it changed to she thought initially that someone was killed.
If there was a first call it would have been at least in the dispatchers log and to my knowledge it wasn't. There was no evidence of a first accident and this person seems to be the only one that heard it on the scanner. When I asked her how she could be the only one that heard it she then said that someone else in her house also heard it or some such remark.
IMO there never was a first accident or I would have heard it that night.

Maybe she was hearing the dispath from the westmans first call and the she was hearing the officer on the scene reporting he didn't find a driver so a bol was given based on the description that BA gave while the officer was already dispatched from the westmans call. where the idea of leaving in a private vehicle comes in is a mystery.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Grocery stores in Mass do not sell alcohol.

Big Y sells beer and wine. There is a Big Y on University Drive, maybe a mile down the road from SW. It may have been a Price Chopper in 2/2004, so maybe no alcohol sales then.

Small grocery stores sell alcohol (usually beer and wine only) all over the place, at least in western MA.

jwb wrote:

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Maybe she was hearing the dispath from the westmans first call and the she was hearing the officer on the scene reporting he didn't find a driver so a bol was given based on the description that BA gave while the officer was already dispatched from the westmans call. where the idea of leaving in a private vehicle comes in is a mystery.

She was adamant that it was an earlier separate accident.
Renner also said there was no second accident. That the damage to the car was consistant with hitting the snowbank.

Is This lady Anne still in the area?

jwb wrote:

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Snowey , you are saying the same thing as Frostman but in a different way. Frostman says she took the path of least resistance with her lie and you say "to my view, it reflects a absolute need to communicate a sudden departure without having questions asked."
Isn't that saying the same thing?

no one knows, of course, how she was thinking, but my view differs slightly from Frostman in that i'm suggesting her excuse (untruth/lie) was not hastily formed, but that she gave it more thought and planning in conjunction with her departure.
she could have more easily feigned illness, but didn't.
the circumstance(s) that prompted her departure from UMASS had to be pretty compelling.

The way things are worded it sounds like she witnessed someone getting into a private vehicle. very confusing