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You don't have to. But it certainly helps in not looking foolish when all the same harebrained (the phrase is harebrained not hairbrained) scenarios are run through by all the new people and shown to be not supported by the evidence. Scenarios that don't reflect the evidence or scenarios that you have to make stuff up to make them work have all been done before. They are not new. They still go nowhere because there is nothing supporting them. But again, fantasy is fun, it just doesn't help Maura.
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with that in mind, with facts and certainty what senarios can be ruled out?

1) suicide
2) walked away died from elements
3) picked up down the road by another vehicle and was killed
4) met up with someone she new started new life
5) wasn't in the car at all
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I think her hair was down because she was just punched in the face by the airbag deployment. That can and has broken noses and detached retinas. It certainly can mess with someones hairdo.
Bill
Or, her hair may have been down to try to keep her ears and neck warm if the car heater was not working or not working well. SBD said that she was shivering, right? If she had just exited a warm car would she be shivering immediately like that? Just a thought or two.

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I was really hoping that Det. Columbo was going to answer this one. Along with the trailer hitch debacle.

"More importantly, you need somewhere to attach it to on the Saturn. Care to tell me the point that that strap was attached to on the Saturn?? Windshield wipers, plastic bumper?? Inquiring minds."

What's that I hear again..........just crickets.

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And another comment just to show how little you know about this case and the resulting information. There is not just 7K posts on this forum. There was the thousands of other posts through seven or eight other Topix forums. There were several YEARS worth of information on MM and MMM forums. There were also other forums that have run through the years. All of which had people that you are directly interchangeable with. No difference in the way you think, or don't think and the same bullshit ideas that have no basis in any of the evidence that is known. So don't expect me to fall down and pee myself at your brilliance. We have all seen it before, several times, on several forums. Nothing new here, move along.
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can't read the ones that are not here. I have read all amherst topix though. If you don't put any value in what posters say i don't understand what help reading posts would offer? I read them anyway. Silly me.
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And another comment just to show how little you know about this case and the resulting information. There is not just 7K posts on this forum. There was the thousands of other posts through seven or eight other Topix forums. There were several YEARS worth of information on MM and MMM forums. There were also other forums that have run through the years. All of which had people that you are directly interchangeable with. No difference in the way you think, or don't think and the same bullshit ideas that have no basis in any of the evidence that is known. So don't expect me to fall down and pee myself at your brilliance. We have all seen it before, several times, on several forums. Nothing new here, move along.
Bill
Just your ploy to avoid my poll question to you. Can you answer?

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jwb wrote:
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with that in mind, with facts and certainty what senarios can be ruled out?
1) suicide
2) walked away died from elements
3) picked up down the road by another vehicle and was killed
4) met up with someone she new started new life
5) wasn't in the car at all
Personally. I would toss 4 and 5 for reasons I have gone over and over for years. Not with certainty. But with the known evidence and that is the difference. We can throw out fantasies or you can use the known evidence and pursue the case. If you want to say it wasn't Maura in the car you need to point to compelling evidence that shows that. Otherwise, the mostly likely person to be driving Maura's car who looks like Maura is most likely Maura. Number 4, could have happened but there is nothing to point to that other than a healthy fantasy life of the person who constructed it. We do know that she was drinking and driving (all that splashed red stuff) and had an accident. Look at the police report. Like Scarinza said. It is all too common. What happened after she ran is up for speculation. i.e. 1, 2, or 3.

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post 7847 Bill just in case you haven't read it.

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can't read the ones that are not here. I have read all amherst topix though. If you don't put any value in what posters say i don't understand what help reading posts would offer? I read them anyway. Silly me.
Its not the idiots (some well meaning) before you who created the useless posts that you should read. It would be the well balanced, excellent rebuttals to the fantasies that I would be suggesting you read, so you don't repeat the useless posts all over again.

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WTH-the-original wrote:
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And another comment just to show how little you know about this case and the resulting information. There is not just 7K posts on this forum. There was the thousands of other posts through seven or eight other Topix forums. There were several YEARS worth of information on MM and MMM forums. There were also other forums that have run through the years. All of which had people that you are directly interchangeable with. No difference in the way you think, or don't think and the same bullshit ideas that have no basis in any of the evidence that is known. So don't expect me to fall down and pee myself at your brilliance. We have all seen it before, several times, on several forums. Nothing new here, move along.
Bill
Im sure many of us are VERY aware of all the past information spread across the web....If you can offer anything new,why dont you?If in fact you find this all such a bore "nothing new here,move along" Why do you stay?I honestly believe there are some posters here that dont want her to be found.
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Personally. I would toss 4 and 5 for reasons I have gone over and over for years. Not with certainty. But with the known evidence and that is the difference. We can throw out fantasies or you can use the known evidence and pursue the case. If you want to say it wasn't Maura in the car you need to point to compelling evidence that shows that. Otherwise, the mostly likely person to be driving Maura's car who looks like Maura is most likely Maura. Number 4, could have happened but there is nothing to point to that other than a healthy fantasy life of the person who constructed it. We do know that she was drinking and driving (all that splashed red stuff) and had an accident. Look at the police report. Like Scarinza said. It is all too common. What happened after she ran is up for speculation. i.e. 1, 2, or 3.
Bill
all 5 can't be ruled out, Some may have more weight than others but we don't have evidence to rule out any of them.you may feel stronger one way or another and that is ok. We just don't know with certainty
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You don't have to. But it certainly helps in not looking foolish when all the same harebrained (the phrase is harebrained not hairbrained) scenarios are run through by all the new people and shown to be not supported by the evidence. Scenarios that don't reflect the evidence or scenarios that you have to make stuff up to make them work have all been done before. They are not new. They still go nowhere because there is nothing supporting them. But again, fantasy is fun, it just doesn't help Maura.
Bill
i share the same thought process, and it's the basis for most of my posts. a lot of heavy lifting of tons of frustration have finally brought us some sanity here. i am sorry for all the good people lost from the conversation over the years, however.
as they say...the hardest thing to do is "nothing" until a real clue or tip emerges...so people keep 'windmilling' and spinning fantasies. unfortunately, it's like nails on a chalkboard to more logical minds.
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WTH-the-original wrote:
I was really hoping that Det. Columbo was going to answer this one. Along with the trailer hitch debacle.
"More importantly, you need somewhere to attach it to on the Saturn. Care to tell me the point that that strap was attached to on the Saturn?? Windshield wipers, plastic bumper?? Inquiring minds."
What's that I hear again..........just crickets.
Bill
I know some years Saturns had a recovery hook on the pasenger side in the rear.
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Personally. I would toss 4 and 5 for reasons I have gone over and over for years. Not with certainty. But with the known evidence and that is the difference. We can throw out fantasies or you can use the known evidence and pursue the case. If you want to say it wasn't Maura in the car you need to point to compelling evidence that shows that. Otherwise, the mostly likely person to be driving Maura's car who looks like Maura is most likely Maura. Number 4, could have happened but there is nothing to point to that other than a healthy fantasy life of the person who constructed it. We do know that she was drinking and driving (all that splashed red stuff) and had an accident. Look at the police report. Like Scarinza said. It is all too common. What happened after she ran is up for speculation. i.e. 1, 2, or 3.
Bill
I am not a big fan of #5 but I don't bash Beagle when he talks about it and that is my point. We don't know and you don't know any more than the rest of us unless you were involved and no i am not implying that you were.
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You could also flat tow a Saturn without any change in odometer reading.
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Snowy wrote:
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i share the same thought process, and it's the basis for most of my posts. a lot of heavy lifting of tons of frustration have finally brought us some sanity here. i am sorry for all the good people lost from the conversation over the years, however.
as they say...the hardest thing to do is "nothing" until a real clue or tip emerges...so people keep 'windmilling' and spinning fantasies. unfortunately, it's like nails on a chalkboard to more logical minds.
ummmmmm...So what do you suggest people discuss here at the Maura Murray forum?....This is why I lurk.
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Im sure many of us are VERY aware of all the past information spread across the web....If you can offer anything new,why dont you?If in fact you find this all such a bore "nothing new here,move along" Why do you stay?I honestly believe there are some posters here that dont want her to be found.
Mauracomehome,
He stays to redirect people from knowing that the area's road warrior abducted her. That's why he stays. Period. The mystery of why she was on that highway and the story around who abducted her are not one in the same. Mr. Renner was close with his New City information. However, he was about 20 miles off target. The correct target area is about 3 miles from WP.

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WTH-the-original wrote:
I was really hoping that Det. Columbo was going to answer this one. Along with the trailer hitch debacle.
"More importantly, you need somewhere to attach it to on the Saturn. Care to tell me the point that that strap was attached to on the Saturn?? Windshield wipers, plastic bumper?? Inquiring minds."
What's that I hear again..........just crickets.
Bill
I'm still waiting for him to say how the car was towed, sheared off a snowbank on the W's lawn,spun around and hit another snowbank after becoming detached from the tow vehicle and no one saw or heard any of it.
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Snowy wrote:
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i share the same thought process, and it's the basis for most of my posts. a lot of heavy lifting of tons of frustration have finally brought us some sanity here. i am sorry for all the good people lost from the conversation over the years, however.
as they say...the hardest thing to do is "nothing" until a real clue or tip emerges...so people keep 'windmilling' and spinning fantasies. unfortunately, it's like nails on a chalkboard to more logical minds.
I actually agree with you on that. I understand the frustration and that same frustration keeps a majority of us here with hope of finding closure. We can either talk to one another or stare at the screen and look at an old post with anticipation of a new clue.

I think we all repeat things in everyday life and there is nothing wrong with that. You just learn to hit the selective hearing switch. posters intent are not to irritate but to learn more from those that maybe have helped to find Maura or have spoken to locals or have followed the case longer.
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Mauracomehome,
He stays to redirect people from knowing that the area's road warrior abducted her. That's why he stays. Period. The mystery of why she was on that highway and the story around who abducted her are not one in the same. Mr. Renner was close with his New City information. However, he was about 20 miles off target. The correct target area is about 3 miles from WP.
If your not speculating,you seem certain of your knowledge,why dont you contact Renner?
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snowy - your last post was reasonable accept your insult again at the end "it's like nails on a chalkboard to more logical minds." You imply that you are the only logical one and because someone has a different view they are not logical. why do you feel the need to beat people down?

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