Maura Murray

K-9 handler wrote:

Monahan's words to RO were: "Oh it's You" as they know each other personally. He then drove off towards the acc. scene. This would put him @ the scene 1st (FIRST), before any other LE had arrived.

That's what I recall, the "oh, it's you", So you're impluing that he did move on toward the scene just after the red truck. What are the chances that a red truck, MASS plates and the trooper would be in cahoots? Not real likely. And if a red truck was lying in wait then they outsmarted him too. And yes, I recall reports of an unmarked vehicle being seen at the scene of the weathered barn. What are the chances that the trooper came and went and yet Faith puts Maura at the car 1-2 minutes before Mr. Cecil arrives.

Smith would have had to arrive @ the scene, check out the car, go to the Westmans and then go see Butch all within 6 minutes, I quite doubt that happened. He would have had to walk to the Atwoods residence so he could leave his cruiser at the scene with Lights on for saftey purposes.

EMT did not arrive til 7:56 and FD did not arrive til 7:57. So there had to be someone else there to watch the scene if Smith in fact did drive his car the short distance to Atwoods.

Between the time Atwood left the scene and Smith arrived is approx. 6 to 10 minutes. So in this time period "MAURA VANISHED" Atwood said maybe 4 or 5 vehicles went by in this time but could not describe any of them due to the lighting.

What IF while Atwood was driving to his house to park the bus one of the vehicles stopped and picked up Maura w/o Atwood noticing. This is very possible because he would have been watching the road in front of him and then He got to his driveway, pulled in towards the house (NO VISIBILITY) and then backed in next to the garage where he would be able to see the acc. scene again. He then went to the house to call 911, again NO VISIBILITY of the scene.

Someone IN A VEHICLE picked Maura up in that short time period. Extensive searches showed NO SIGNS of anyone walking into the woods or down the road or over the guardrails along the river. This area has been searched extensively over and over by Search and rescue teams w/ dogs along w/ F & G and NHSP as well as Local LE, Relatives and friends of Maura and local residents also.. It seems highly unlikely that Maura is anywhere in this area.

just me wrote:

Oh boy forgive me Snowy, Wowzer and everyone else who just hates all the going around. This is where I go when the discussion is in full swing. Just because this person is still missing and it drives me nutts that it can't be narrowed down in the way WTF describes. By going around again, maybe it can. But as you say it never seems to go anywhere meaningful except the hashplate.

yep, we've danced around the red truck, the gloves, the dogs, the dispatch, the underwear, the wine, blah, blah blah. yawn and puke.
it is that you have proven yourself to be so kind, immensely caring, creative and imaginative that i feel kindly and patient in return toward you.
otherwise, yes, i am inclined to throw both hands up and dive for cover.
aren't you from the 'show me' state? nah...that's MO. well, anyway, that's what i need to believe horse poopy!
my curiosity about the whereabouts of Maura has lessened over time from being overshadowed by the goings-on here. has the family done everything in their power to find her? that's what really matters. not endless speculation, imo.

K-9 handler wrote:

SO....Monahan WAS looking for someone at this point. He would not have know about a female til approx. 7:48 PM when it was sent from GCSD dispatch about ONE female, No PI, but shook up. RO says she was @ the store when the cruiser went by with its Blue lights on headed toward the scene. SO this puts Monahan there 1st.. Even though Smith says he signed off @ 7:46 at the scene, HOW CAN THIS BE.?
" 02/09/04 @1954 7:54 PM Rhonda Marsh"
"H2 (Smith) request all fire units BOL for a female about 5' 7" on foot."

Sound like big shit in little China?
But whatever it means, somebody, presumably a female, was seen at the car 1-2 minutes before police came.
You're just shook up, not a PI? I guess I thought you were Columbo and that Columbo was a PI, my mistake.

K-9 handler wrote:

SO....Monahan WAS looking for someone at this point. He would not have know about a female til approx. 7:48 PM when it was sent from GCSD dispatch about ONE female, No PI, but shook up. RO says she was @ the store when the cruiser went by with its Blue lights on headed toward the scene. SO this puts Monahan there 1st.. Even though Smith says he signed off @ 7:46 at the scene, HOW CAN THIS BE.?
" 02/09/04 @1954 7:54 PM Rhonda Marsh"
"H2 (Smith) request all fire units BOL for a female about 5' 7" on foot."

Maybe he would have known due to a first accident that people keep referring to. The one where a female slid off the road and got into a private vehicle. "They" tried to find her from that minute on because of something else seen? Something else said by whomever reported the first accident and troopers who have their own cars to drive home in, go out and have a look even while off the clock of official duty? RO sees a red truck with MASS plates eyeballing her and she goes into the store for a good 1/2 hour. As she's leaving she sees a police car going that way too.(wasn't that just before a 7:30 closing time? Wouldn't the timing of that make it CS and not the trooper? And if someone was removed from the scene, who was left at the scene? And wouldn't the fact that she had to walk home to be seen at all by the trooper make her being asked if she saw anyone walking AFTER a police driver was seen heading that way with it's blue lights flashing? How many cars with blue lights flashing were out that night. Sounds like more than two.
How sure is anybody that Faith saw her 1-2 minutes beforehand? Do we give this statement too much credit?

K-9 handler wrote:

Monahan was there for a short time and that has been confirmed even though Strelzin says "NO HE WAS NOT THERE"
I wonder WHY.?

OK, let us start with this piece of bullshit. Confirmed by who? I remember one person and only one person claiming that Monahan was there. So, someone is full of shit. It could be Monahan, Strelzin, Smith, Atwood and possibly others that didn't see Monahan at the scene. Or someone else who I guess was RO. I know none of these people. Why do a couple of people give such weight to RO's "sighting"? Is she a liar? I doubt it, could she be mistaken? Or is everyone else in on a massive cover-up and have sold Maura to white slavers or for her eggs, or are they all pod people?

Inquiring minds?

Bill

"I know none of these people" Quote WTF

WTF....You know nothing. If You don't know what You are talking about, then just shut that hole known as your mouth.

RO was walking to the store from her house when she was seen by Monahan. RO lives before the store and before the acc. scene. Winnies store is in the middle.

So Monahan was looking for someone and talked to RO before heading towards the scene past Winnies store.

Maribeth Conway requested an interview with Monaghan. Either Scarinza or Strezlin told her they would get back to her about a possible interview, but she never heard anything from them. She wrote this in her article.

Very True Mcsmom.....

K-9 handler wrote:

"I know none of these people" Quote WTF
WTF....You know nothing. If You don't know what You are talking about, then just shut that hole known as your mouth.
RO was walking to the store from her house when she was seen by Monahan. RO lives before the store and before the acc. scene. Winnies store is in the middle.
So Monahan was looking for someone and talked to RO before heading towards the scene past Winnies store.

I am sorry if I've been wrong but wasn't it the other way around? Wasn't it when RO was walking back home from the store and just about getting on her street when the trooper spoke with her? If they were looking for Maura before RO got to the store, it would be too close to 7 on the dot, or do I have this all backwards?

Mcsmom wrote:

Maribeth Conway requested an interview with Monaghan. Either Scarinza or Strezlin told her they would get back to her about a possible interview, but she never heard anything from them. She wrote this in her article.

Yes but why does this matter so much? It sounds like a simple comment to me. Doesn't sound like she pushed for it as a reporter and unless you go right to the source, nothing much will ever become of it anyway. The trooper cannot be of much help if this is not on the record, or can he? Not sure how this works but imagine it's within the law.

I thought the whole RO thing and have refreshed my memory with news sources, copied blogs and email. I can take a hint :)

K-9 handler wrote:

"I know none of these people" Quote WTF
WTF....You know nothing. If You don't know what You are talking about, then just shut that hole known as your mouth.
RO was walking to the store from her house when she was seen by Monahan. RO lives before the store and before the acc. scene. Winnies store is in the middle.
So Monahan was looking for someone and talked to RO before heading towards the scene past Winnies store.

Ill say it again and try to use smaller words.

Confirmed by who? I remember one person and only one person claiming that Monahan was there. So, someone is full of shit. It could be Monahan, Strelzin, Smith, Atwood and possibly others that didn't see Monahan at the scene. Or someone else who I guess was RO. I know none of these people. Why do a couple of people give such weight to RO's "sighting"? Is she a liar? I doubt it, could she be mistaken? Or is everyone else in on a massive cover-up and have sold Maura to white slavers or for her eggs, or are they all pod people?

Still waiting for an answer, like I was for the trailer hitch turd.

p.s. Unlike some, I actually don't need to speak when I type so closing my mouth really doesn't effect what I type.

Bill

Ro was headed in the store when the red truck left and headed towards the acc. scene and then a short time later she said the cruiser went by w/ blue lights on. She was at the store from approx. 7:30 til 8:00PM closing time.

I was wrong. RO was headed back from the store @ approx. the 8 pm closing time. When she was just about home which is a few minute walk she was approached by Monahan who was in his cruiser in uniform. He said "Oh it's You" He then went on his way Westbound on Rte. 112. The ambulance was right behind them, so this would make it approx. 8:05 to 8:07 PM as EMT cleared the scene 8:02 PM.

So Smith signed off @ the scene at 7:46. Was Monahan already there or did he show up after Smith. We have no clue as to the answer because that is not on the record. I am by no means implying that Monahan did anything wrong I am just trying get the timing straight here. I guess it really makes no difference because by the time LE arrived she was gone.

I apologize for the mistake on My part.

Strelzin does say Monahan was there but not officially, He was just in the area and showed up.

Expert accident reconstructionist examnied the car as well as the acc. scene and confirm that the car did not hit the tree. The damages to the Saturn were more likely caused by a snowplow, snowplow frame, tow hitch, or possibly a bumper of a truck.

Take a look at the pix. Anyone would be able to see that there are not too many trees shaped like that in NH to cause that damage. Go to the scene WTF and look for youself and a do it when there is 2 ft. of snowbanks and imagine; The saturn rounding the corner at lets say 25 mph, loses control and hits the snowbank, shoots upwards towards the tree. This would make the first thing to hit the tree would be the PLASTIC lower spoiler. NO....That is not broken or cracked, it is just dislodged from the plastic anchor clips. So that did not happen.

Then instead the car would have to have jumped the bank w/o breaking the spoiler, nose dive into the tree and be thrown back into the road going in the opposite direction. NO....damage not consistent w/ hitting the tree, no bark or pitch or anything to indicate collision w/ a tree.NO...did not happen.

The saturn collided w/ some other object or vehicle whether it be at the scene or somewhere else.

K-9 handler wrote:

Was Monahan already there or did he show up after Smith. We have no clue as to the answer because that is not on the record. I am by no means implying that Monahan did anything wrong I am just trying get the timing straight here. I guess it really makes no difference because by the time LE arrived she was gone.

Is there anything to indicate that Monahan wasn't just driving through the area AFTER the incident occurred?

Bill

K-9 handler wrote:

Strelzin does say Monahan was there but not officially, He was just in the area and showed up.
Expert accident reconstructionist examnied the car as well as the acc. scene and confirm that the car did not hit the tree. The damages to the Saturn were more likely caused by a snowplow, snowplow frame, tow hitch, or possibly a bumper of a truck.
Take a look at the pix. Anyone would be able to see that there are not too many trees shaped like that in NH to cause that damage. Go to the scene WTF and look for youself and a do it when there is 2 ft. of snowbanks and imagine; The saturn rounding the corner at lets say 25 mph, loses control and hits the snowbank, shoots upwards towards the tree. This would make the first thing to hit the tree would be the PLASTIC lower spoiler. NO....That is not broken or cracked, it is just dislodged from the plastic anchor clips. So that did not happen.
Then instead the car would have to have jumped the bank w/o breaking the spoiler, nose dive into the tree and be thrown back into the road going in the opposite direction. NO....damage not consistent w/ hitting the tree, no bark or pitch or anything to indicate collision w/ a tree.NO...did not happen.
The saturn collided w/ some other object or vehicle whether it be at the scene or somewhere else.

With all due deference to your accident reconstructionist.

I have mentioned this before and will go through it again.

I have a degree as a mechanical technology graduate and worked in the destructive test field for a short period though most of my career I have worked as an engineer in another field. I see no evidence of metal on metal interaction on that hood. I see evidence based upon the damage to the left blinker and the appearance to me that bumper was indeed pushed hard and bounced back and its deformation did not go through its elastic limit into its plastic phase.

I have reconstructed the damage seen on the hood to a model of the hood by simple point pressure at one spot like could have occurred to the hood of the car.

Now I didn’t have any hands on with the car so I am sure what I am saying could be considered to be speculative but I also know I am not an idiot and I am pretty good at my profession. And I have been in the area many times in summer and winter.

Can your reconstructionist explain how the lower spoiler clips got broken? How about the parking light?

Bill

K-9 handler wrote:

I also wonder where Monahan was after being seen @ the accident scene. If he was not on duty, why would he be missing. He was in his cruiser, but not on duty. This means he was driving his patrol car while not working. Why would he not be out in his personal if he was not working. Monahan lived several miles from the scene. So what was he doing there and why was He in his cruiser?

Maybe he was on his way home. Troopers bring their vehicles home many times. If they didn't they would have to run all the way to Twin Mountain to get a car.
Why are you going over all this stuff again. It's been gone over for years. Just wondering.

K-9 handler wrote:

Smith would have had to arrive @ the scene, check out the car, go to the Westmans and then go see Butch all within 6 minutes, I quite doubt that happened. He would have had to walk to the Atwoods residence so he could leave his cruiser at the scene with Lights on for saftey purposes.
EMT did not arrive til 7:56 and FD did not arrive til 7:57. So there had to be someone else there to watch the scene if Smith in fact did drive his car the short distance to Atwoods.
Between the time Atwood left the scene and Smith arrived is approx. 6 to 10 minutes. So in this time period "MAURA VANISHED" Atwood said maybe 4 or 5 vehicles went by in this time but could not describe any of them due to the lighting.
What IF while Atwood was driving to his house to park the bus one of the vehicles stopped and picked up Maura w/o Atwood noticing. This is very possible because he would have been watching the road in front of him and then He got to his driveway, pulled in towards the house (NO VISIBILITY) and then backed in next to the garage where he would be able to see the acc. scene again. He then went to the house to call 911, again NO VISIBILITY of the scene.
Someone IN A VEHICLE picked Maura up in that short time period. Extensive searches showed NO SIGNS of anyone walking into the woods or down the road or over the guardrails along the river. This area has been searched extensively over and over by Search and rescue teams w/ dogs along w/ F & G and NHSP as well as Local LE, Relatives and friends of Maura and local residents also.. It seems highly unlikely that Maura is anywhere in this area.

K-9 wrote"**What IF while Atwood was driving to his house to park the bus one of the vehicles stopped and picked up Maura w/o Atwood noticing. This is very possible because he would have been watching the road in front of him and then He got to his driveway, pulled in towards the house (NO VISIBILITY) and then backed in next to the garage where he would be able to see the acc. scene again. He then went to the house to call 911, again NO VISIBILITY of the scene.**
I do not think K-9 is Columbo. The real Columbo argued till he was blue in the face with me when I said the SBD could not see the car from his house because there was a patch of woods/trees blocking the view. I was not the only one that told him that. I never saw anyone parked next to the garage. He could have parked next to the house but would have had no view of the car as his house would have been in the way of his view. Evidently whoever K-9 is didn't see the yard and where they parked or else Columbo is forgetting what he has said in the past and is saying the opposite now.
Same old crap over and over.

As I Recall.........Another neighbor who was interviewed had stated that "Butch had backed into his spot instead of just pulling in like usual."

Maybe this was so he would be able to sit in his bus and do his paperwork and still see the scene.

I know the area and the visibility situation quite well, been there many times and taken many pix. I am just restating the bus thing because the neighbor said it was strange. Not implying anything.