Maura Murray

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I am fairly certain that you either don't want to understand, or are incapable of understanding at this point. I have answered you twice previous and you have insisted that I have taken a stance which is entirely incorrect and a misrepresentation of my beliefs. I shall no longer waste my time with you as I find you erratic, to say the least.
Bill

Please point me to your reponse to renners post> I must have missed it

Well Bill, I searched back and I couldn't find a response back from you.I might have missed it. you responded to my poll question but can't find your response tothe scarzienza statement. If you did, I will apologize.Can you be kind and copy me your response (s)

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I am fairly certain that you either don't want to understand, or are incapable of understanding at this point. I have answered you twice previous and you have insisted that I have taken a stance which is entirely incorrect and a misrepresentation of my beliefs. I shall no longer waste my time with you as I find you erratic, to say the least.
Bill

I have never said that you are incorrect in your beliefs ! never implied it either. I have said over and over that I keep all options open. What I did say is that I am tired of your bashing other posters for trying to discuss other theories.

ok Bill I apologize. You wrote it in the poll question. you seem to have expanded your thoughts from just a drunk runnaway to. Just because there was booze present, it has not been determined that she had been drinking. Not saying you are wrong but trying to stay consistant with your message of beliefs without facts.

can we be friends again? If you want to just ignore me I won't take it personal.

no need to be angry Bill. Are you incapable of being nice?

Tebow loves you

just me wrote:

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Also, she knew somebody well enough to spend New Years in NH! Who were these people? Some time back I found a post written by one of the mothers who said their daughters were told not to talk about this. Wish I could find that again b/c it might be worth something..

Just Me,

It was in one of Renner's blogs that he reported that FM did not want MM's gal pals to speak to Renner. In another of Renner's blogs he said that one of the friend's mothers said that MM was possibly in Goshen, NH for New Years. Renner also wrote that when LE learned about Goshen, they went to that house to see if MM was there, but to no avail. Has anyone read or know any more about this?

BR's mother, SR, stated on the Disappeared feature that MM spent time with them at Thanksgiving, 2003 and in 2004... but she didn't actually say "New Years". Perhaps it's possible that MM was in NH in late 2003 or early 2004?

Any clarification by anyone would help.

"John Andrew Green said...
It seems that the sister is a material witness. If the police feel - and can substantiate that some kind of crime occurred (which I think would be easy in this case), then the police have every right, duty and capability - through a court order if necessary - to compel the sister to explain why Maura was upset. Here's a good question, why wouldn't the sister volunteer this? Morever, I agree with other posters that the long lingering suggestions that Fred was not disclosing something (and perhaps has something to hide) is becoming more and more concrete and seeming more fact than suggestion or speculation at this point. Beyond this, I would like to remind that the highly likely conclusion that Maura did not hit Vasi does not mean there is no connection between what was going on in her life at UMASS prior to her disappearance and that incident. For instance, suppose that someone she knew hit Vasi? Maybe that person was driving her car? Maybe the trip to New Hampshire was to get rid of the car or stage an accident in an attempt to cover up the damage? Speculation, certainly. But it makes the point that if the sister told what upset Maura, it may very well lead to a better idea of why she went to NH and this would make more likely finding her. So plainly evident is that line of reasoning, in fact, that it circles back suspiciously to the family, if you ask me, in not saying what they know, not only to the public, but also to the police.
January 8, 2012 6:32 PM" ~http://mauramurray.blogspot.c om/2012/01/scarinza-speaks.htm l#comment-form

my God, this is such a brilliant paragraph...this line of thinking really appeals to my personal sense of logic.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>I uld be wrong, but I thought I read credit card fraud somewhere.

I heard a similar rumor but I believe its an unsubstantiated statement. I think there was an issue of credit card misuse in Mass. at school. I wonder if the two got confused or maybe that was part of her dark side.

Snowy wrote:

"John Andrew Green said...
It seems that the sister is a material witness. If the police feel - and can substantiate that some kind of crime occurred (which I think would be easy in this case), then the police have every right, duty and capability - through a court order if necessary - to compel the sister to explain why Maura was upset. Here's a good question, why wouldn't the sister volunteer this? Morever, I agree with other posters that the long lingering suggestions that Fred was not disclosing something (and perhaps has something to hide) is becoming more and more concrete and seeming more fact than suggestion or speculation at this point. Beyond this, I would like to remind that the highly likely conclusion that Maura did not hit Vasi does not mean there is no connection between what was going on in her life at UMASS prior to her disappearance and that incident. For instance, suppose that someone she knew hit Vasi? Maybe that person was driving her car? Maybe the trip to New Hampshire was to get rid of the car or stage an accident in an attempt to cover up the damage? Speculation, certainly. But it makes the point that if the sister told what upset Maura, it may very well lead to a better idea of why she went to NH and this would make more likely finding her. So plainly evident is that line of reasoning, in fact, that it circles back suspiciously to the family, if you ask me, in not saying what they know, not only to the public, but also to the police.
January 8, 2012 6:32 PM" ~http://mauramurray.blogspot.c om/2012/01/scarinza-speaks.htm l#comment-form
my God, this is such a brilliant paragraph...this line of thinking really appeals to my personal sense of logic.

Good post Snowy!

NHwoodsman52 wrote:

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Good post Snowy!

i guess if ever i have been drawn to a speculative "theory" it's been this one....which has sat in my mind, unexpressed. it's interesting that someone else...that makes 2...shares my thinking.

Snowy wrote:

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i guess if ever i have been drawn to a speculative "theory" it's been this one....which has sat in my mind, unexpressed. it's interesting that someone else...that makes 2...shares my thinking.

I actually agreed with your post. Who knows how maura was treated when she wrecked freds Car and stayed at the motel that night. I am sure he was sound asleep when he was awoken to the news that his car was trashed. He may have unleashed on Maura that night and is withholding what happened that night.

jwb wrote:

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I actually agreed with your post. Who knows how maura was treated when she wrecked freds Car and stayed at the motel that night. I am sure he was sound asleep when he was awoken to the news that his car was trashed. He may have unleashed on Maura that night and is withholding what happened that night.

that's another flash in the pan to add to the scenario. who knows, right? explosive temper? it was the basis for a theory put forth by Mason....from which he elaborated in greater detail.
there is missing information on the side of her life before her disappearance...which whiston always insisted would hold the greatest number of clues. golly, i agree.

just me wrote:

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Agreed, but this was after Brianna Maitland went missing some 90 miles away in VT. The FBI had come in by this point to see if the two disappearances could be linked. Maybe it was really confusing to him and frightful. Why he said Local, I'll never know.
But what I always recall are those first words spoken over and over again. He said "if they'd only have gone East, she'd be here with me now" and "this is where she should have turned", maybe it was him looking for Maura when she wasn't where she was supposed to be.
Also, she knew somebody well enough to spend New Years in NH! Who were these people? Some time back I found a post written by one of the mothers who said their daughters were told not to talk about this. Wish I could find that again b/c it might be worth something.
I don't think Maura was looking for a room. I think she made it look like that so she could call one of these numbers to be transfered to the room or condo resisdent(s)
More later
And that was waaaaayyyyyyyy before the knife and A frame drama.

I do recall the "if only they had gone east", but not the "this is where she should have turned". Where "should" she have turned? It suggests Fred knew where she was headed.
The Goshen stuff is interesting. Why would that be such a big secret? And what about the poster that claimed she had a relative who owned a house in Bethlehem. Did s/he know something? I checked this out, and it really is true. It was her mother´s cousin, Gary M, who passed away in 2009, a few months after Laurie. Maybe he was the relative with a red truck as well?
Another thing I´ve been wondering about is the firend at UMass who didn´t want to "get her in trouble". What trouble? Reportedly this person spoke to LE but IIRC a long time after Maura went missing.
Fred reportedly had a history of domestic abuse (according to several posters) and I´m not buying him just saying "no big deal, insurance will cover it" when Maura woke him up to tell him she crashed his new car.

NHwoodsman52 wrote:

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Good post Snowy!

I second that.

hannah_b wrote:

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I do recall the "if only they had gone east", but not the "this is where she should have turned". Where "should" she have turned? It suggests Fred knew where she was headed.
The Goshen stuff is interesting. Why would that be such a big secret? And what about the poster that claimed she had a relative who owned a house in Bethlehem. Did s/he know something? I checked this out, and it really is true. It was her mother´s cousin, Gary M, who passed away in 2009, a few months after Laurie. Maybe he was the relative with a red truck as well?
Another thing I´ve been wondering about is the firend at UMass who didn´t want to "get her in trouble". What trouble? Reportedly this person spoke to LE but IIRC a long time after Maura went missing.
Fred reportedly had a history of domestic abuse (according to several posters) and I´m not buying him just saying "no big deal, insurance will cover it" when Maura woke him up to tell him she crashed his new car.

Was it they should have turned or she have turned? I' see if I can find it.I remember the part you are referring to.

In the dissappeared series part 3 of 4 fred clearly says "She" when talikng about taking the right on Rt 112 and he wished "she" had gone straight.

hannah_b wrote:

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I do recall the "if only they had gone east", but not the "this is where she should have turned". Where "should" she have turned? It suggests Fred knew where she was headed.
The Goshen stuff is interesting. Why would that be such a big secret? And what about the poster that claimed she had a relative who owned a house in Bethlehem. Did s/he know something? I checked this out, and it really is true. It was her mother´s cousin, Gary M, who passed away in 2009, a few months after Laurie. Maybe he was the relative with a red truck as well?
Another thing I´ve been wondering about is the firend at UMass who didn´t want to "get her in trouble". What trouble? Reportedly this person spoke to LE but IIRC a long time after Maura went missing.
Fred reportedly had a history of domestic abuse (according to several posters) and I´m not buying him just saying "no big deal, insurance will cover it" when Maura woke him up to tell him she crashed his new car.

wow. all of this info has been explored before...but perhaps they are now surely coming together with renner's help and access.
so many "red herrings" for so long.

oops part 3 of 5

In watching a little bit of the disappeared series. Scarzienza states that the NHSP had a helicopter up in the air the next morning. That makes more sense than the nhsp getting involved on wed. He must have meant to say that he got a call at 6am on tues morning from Chief Williams.

Fred also does say that Maura was still upset about the car accident after he dropped her off at the dorm the next day after she stayed at the motel. He said he reassured to her that things would be ok.