Maura Murray

sophie bean wrote:

um, jwb, I notice the quotations in your post "I was told that..." Fred said. That is not the same as "Fred told me..." A very big, very significant difference. WHO heard Fred make the comment about "the old squaw walk"? to whom was that comment addressed? in years and years, I've never heard that question answered. If the only person who allegedly heard Fred say that was Sharon, that casts many things into a very different light for me. If a third-hand "quote" sent LE in a direction different than they would have taken without such a "quote," I think that is important. Many things that I've questioned about how LE handled this case look a whole lot different if they were given "information" by someone presumably close to Maura that they took at face value.

Frostman wrote:

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As for calling the insurance and finding out if it would be covered... our insurance agent is a friend and we have his home phone number. If there was an accident, we could call him on a Sunday morning. Also most insurance have 24 1-800 numbers.

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Not So wrote:

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"HAVERHILL, NH - Nancy Lyon and her canine partner, a 3-year-old malinois, Quicklie, spent most of Thursday morning scouring a section of Route 112 for a missing 21-year-old Hanson, Mass., woman.
Lyon and Quiklie are members of the New England K-9 Search and Rescue group. They were one of three canine teams taking part in the search for Maura Murray, a nursing student at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
They were unable to turn up any sign of the missing college student.
A ground and air search coordinated by New Hampshire Fish and Game failed to turn up any clues in Murray's disappearance Thursday." This was in the Caledonian Record in Feb. 04
And this in July 04: "Scarinza also said when Murray left Massachusetts, she had with her a box of wine, and bottles of vodka, Kahlua and Bailey's Irish Cream.
The box of wine, most of which had spilled, was found in the car. Some of the other bottles were not found....Scarinza has said Murray told police his daughter was suicidal.
However, the first mention of Maura being suicidal was in a press release issued by Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams two days after Maura's car accident and disappearance.
Murray says he never told police his daughter was suicidal.
"I want to set the record straight," he said. "Scarinza is using (Howe's book) to reinforce his suicide theory. It's nothing like that.
"Maura liked the book," he said. "She was making her way through it. The reason she liked the book was because she likes several different areas in the White Mountains. There are all kinds of landmarks. That's all it was."
Although he is upset about Scarinza's comments, Murray isn't surprised.
"If he goes with the suicide theory, that means nothing happened on his turf and during his watch," Murray said. "However, when you have a bad guy (involved), it's in (Scarinza's) back yard and he can't solve it."
"He's pushing it hard," he continued. "He's to the point he's making things up."
Rausch, equally upset with Scarinza's comments, says, "It's pretty pathetic that 41/2 months later, the state police want to secure the evidence."
She says it's comparable to the state police not searching for Maura until 36 hours after she disappeared.
"They never did a forensics study," Rausch said. "And Lt. Scarinza is providing a lot of misinformation to the public - including that she ran away to a new life; she froze to death; she committed suicide."
"When I lay awake at night," she continued, "I wonder how well Lt. Scarinza is sleeping."
And Rausch is adamant when she says she never told Scarinza about "Not Without Peril."
"That angers me because this is just another thing that is a lie," she said. "Why didn't he ask me what that meant?"
Rausch was referring to Maura saying the book was her favorite.
"She told me (the White Mountains are) a favorite place she likes to go," she said, adding Maura told her,ÔAnd most of all it's my favorite place on earth.'"
Scarinza could not be reached for comment Friday afternoon.

jwb wrote:

just got a quick reply from mr renner. I asked him if he could look into the liquor discrepancy.
He responded: I'm Trying
I have faith he will look into it

jwb wrote:

In a little more research Seagrams does make a vodka. I wonder if she had purchased 6 nips

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sophie bean wrote:

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therfore, using your own logic (and it's charming how "adroitly" you avoided answering a direct question), if Fred didn't say it, it throws FAR less "weight towards suicide." Thanks, I guess.

FrmLE wrote:

Anything is possible, of course. That does not mean all possibilities are equally possible, note the difference.
No one knows what happened to Maura, however I do know a bit about people's actions and behavior. That does not mean everyone behaves the same way, however peoples behavior is very predictable given enough information.
I think that the possibility that Maura is still alive is almost zero, I would put it at less than .01%. That is my opinion, based on a career in LE and having some idea of how difficult it is, logistically, to disappear in the age we live in.
Combine that with human behavior, how incredibly unlikely it is that Maura would be alive now, all these years, knowing that her family is worried sick, looking for her, believing she may be dead, all these years, and given all that she remains hidden, living a new life, with a new name, new Social Security Number, in this day and age of information, it is nearly impossible.....
Think about it, just a but think how unlikely that is. In real life, not Lifetime Movie network, real life, think about that......
Less than .01%

Beagle wrote:

<quoted text>Was the size of these bottles of alcohol ever specified?

Beagle wrote:

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If the alcohol was itemized on a receipt, especially in 2004, it was probably purchased Liquors 44, which is in the Stop and Shop plaza on Rt. 9 on the Amherst/Hadley line.
I'm not sure it matters where it was purchased, but maybe someone can make use of it.

hannah_b wrote:

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I understand your reasoning and realize you´re most probably right. Still, I can´t help thinking about Chris Flynn, the guy whose truck was found abandoned in the vicinity of where Maura´s accident happened. He seemed to have fallen of the face of the earth with no clues whatsoever as to what happened to him. One day he simply reappeared, and it turned out he had been living in California for 8 months. Ok, 8 months vs 8 years. But still, no sightings, nothing.

jwb wrote:

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stop and shops also have citizen bank atm in them maybe that is where she withdrew the $280

hannah_b wrote:

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I understand your reasoning and realize you´re most probably right. Still, I can´t help thinking about Chris Flynn, the guy whose truck was found abandoned in the vicinity of where Maura´s accident happened. He seemed to have fallen of the face of the earth with no clues whatsoever as to what happened to him. One day he simply reappeared, and it turned out he had been living in California for 8 months. Ok, 8 months vs 8 years. But still, no sightings, nothing.

FrmLE wrote:

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Ye, but they are VERY different cases.

Beagle wrote:

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If the alcohol was itemized on a receipt, especially in 2004, it was probably purchased Liquors 44, which is in the Stop and Shop plaza on Rt. 9 on the Amherst/Hadley line.
I'm not sure it matters where it was purchased, but maybe someone can make use of it.

jwb wrote:

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stop and shops also have citizen bank atm in them maybe that is where she withdrew the $280

hannah_b wrote:

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Years ago it was claimed she used a First Bank ATM.

hannah_b wrote:

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If we knopw where it was purchased, maybe it would be possible to find out if they had cameras.