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Jan 11, 2012
 
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um, jwb, I notice the quotations in your post "I was told that..." Fred said. That is not the same as "Fred told me..." A very big, very significant difference. WHO heard Fred make the comment about "the old squaw walk"? to whom was that comment addressed? in years and years, I've never heard that question answered. If the only person who allegedly heard Fred say that was Sharon, that casts many things into a very different light for me. If a third-hand "quote" sent LE in a direction different than they would have taken without such a "quote," I think that is important. Many things that I've questioned about how LE handled this case look a whole lot different if they were given "information" by someone presumably close to Maura that they took at face value.
agree I recognized that also, scarzienza was told by someone else that Fred had made the comment. He didn't actually hear Fred say it.
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Jan 11, 2012
 
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As for calling the insurance and finding out if it would be covered... our insurance agent is a friend and we have his home phone number. If there was an accident, we could call him on a Sunday morning. Also most insurance have 24 1-800 numbers.
Not to mention that Amherst Appraisal was located literally just a few feet from the motel. I have seen them do appraisals in the motel parking lot.
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Jan 11, 2012
 
Anything is possible, of course. That does not mean all possibilities are equally possible, note the difference.

No one knows what happened to Maura, however I do know a bit about people's actions and behavior. That does not mean everyone behaves the same way, however peoples behavior is very predictable given enough information.

I think that the possibility that Maura is still alive is almost zero, I would put it at less than .01%. That is my opinion, based on a career in LE and having some idea of how difficult it is, logistically, to disappear in the age we live in.

Combine that with human behavior, how incredibly unlikely it is that Maura would be alive now, all these years, knowing that her family is worried sick, looking for her, believing she may be dead, all these years, and given all that she remains hidden, living a new life, with a new name, new Social Security Number, in this day and age of information, it is nearly impossible.....

Think about it, just a but think how unlikely that is. In real life, not Lifetime Movie network, real life, think about that......

Less than .01%
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Wouldn't it be awesome is Fred would step up aand do an interview with Renner
or someone so he can set the record straight.
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Not So wrote:
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"HAVERHILL, NH - Nancy Lyon and her canine partner, a 3-year-old malinois, Quicklie, spent most of Thursday morning scouring a section of Route 112 for a missing 21-year-old Hanson, Mass., woman.
Lyon and Quiklie are members of the New England K-9 Search and Rescue group. They were one of three canine teams taking part in the search for Maura Murray, a nursing student at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
They were unable to turn up any sign of the missing college student.
A ground and air search coordinated by New Hampshire Fish and Game failed to turn up any clues in Murray's disappearance Thursday." This was in the Caledonian Record in Feb. 04
And this in July 04: "Scarinza also said when Murray left Massachusetts, she had with her a box of wine, and bottles of vodka, Kahlua and Bailey's Irish Cream.
The box of wine, most of which had spilled, was found in the car. Some of the other bottles were not found....Scarinza has said Murray told police his daughter was suicidal.
However, the first mention of Maura being suicidal was in a press release issued by Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams two days after Maura's car accident and disappearance.
Murray says he never told police his daughter was suicidal.
"I want to set the record straight," he said. "Scarinza is using (Howe's book) to reinforce his suicide theory. It's nothing like that.
"Maura liked the book," he said. "She was making her way through it. The reason she liked the book was because she likes several different areas in the White Mountains. There are all kinds of landmarks. That's all it was."
Although he is upset about Scarinza's comments, Murray isn't surprised.
"If he goes with the suicide theory, that means nothing happened on his turf and during his watch," Murray said. "However, when you have a bad guy (involved), it's in (Scarinza's) back yard and he can't solve it."
"He's pushing it hard," he continued. "He's to the point he's making things up."
Rausch, equally upset with Scarinza's comments, says, "It's pretty pathetic that 41/2 months later, the state police want to secure the evidence."
She says it's comparable to the state police not searching for Maura until 36 hours after she disappeared.
"They never did a forensics study," Rausch said. "And Lt. Scarinza is providing a lot of misinformation to the public - including that she ran away to a new life; she froze to death; she committed suicide."
"When I lay awake at night," she continued, "I wonder how well Lt. Scarinza is sleeping."
And Rausch is adamant when she says she never told Scarinza about "Not Without Peril."
"That angers me because this is just another thing that is a lie," she said. "Why didn't he ask me what that meant?"
Rausch was referring to Maura saying the book was her favorite.
"She told me (the White Mountains are) a favorite place she likes to go," she said, adding Maura told her,ÔAnd most of all it's my favorite place on earth.'"
Scarinza could not be reached for comment Friday afternoon.
I hate to judge a book by its cover, but after watching SR on the TV a few years ago - and, yes, TV can be so deceptive - I came away with the impression that she was a true class act - composed, honest, and not afraid to talk. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I had. Different opinions welcome.
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Jan 11, 2012
 
jwb wrote:
just got a quick reply from mr renner. I asked him if he could look into the liquor discrepancy.
He responded: I'm Trying
I have faith he will look into it
If the alcohol was itemized on a receipt, especially in 2004, it was probably purchased Liquors 44, which is in the Stop and Shop plaza on Rt. 9 on the Amherst/Hadley line.

I'm not sure it matters where it was purchased, but maybe someone can make use of it.
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Jan 11, 2012
 
jwb wrote:
In a little more research Seagrams does make a vodka. I wonder if she had purchased 6 nips
Was the size of these bottles of alcohol ever specified?

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therfore, using your own logic (and it's charming how "adroitly" you avoided answering a direct question), if Fred didn't say it, it throws FAR less "weight towards suicide." Thanks, I guess.
It is always an adventure to talk with you.

I'll try explaining this and I'll use smaller words again. Based on the evidence I see three possibilities. She committed suicide, she ran away to part or parts unknown, or she perished in the woods accidentally. If her father said what he said all three things remain a likely possibility but you (any reasonable person) would tend to put more weight towards the suicide possibility. If he didn't say that then the weighting of the suicide theory remains the same. The amount of weight one throws towards the theory is and individual bias. Since I don't believe in pod people, UFO abduction or that some mystery group harvested her eggs. All I have are the three REASONABLE possibilities that I have been writing about for eight years that match the given evidence. How does any of this actually matter?

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Jan 11, 2012
 
FrmLE wrote:
Anything is possible, of course. That does not mean all possibilities are equally possible, note the difference.
No one knows what happened to Maura, however I do know a bit about people's actions and behavior. That does not mean everyone behaves the same way, however peoples behavior is very predictable given enough information.
I think that the possibility that Maura is still alive is almost zero, I would put it at less than .01%. That is my opinion, based on a career in LE and having some idea of how difficult it is, logistically, to disappear in the age we live in.
Combine that with human behavior, how incredibly unlikely it is that Maura would be alive now, all these years, knowing that her family is worried sick, looking for her, believing she may be dead, all these years, and given all that she remains hidden, living a new life, with a new name, new Social Security Number, in this day and age of information, it is nearly impossible.....
Think about it, just a but think how unlikely that is. In real life, not Lifetime Movie network, real life, think about that......
Less than .01%
I understand your reasoning and realize you´re most probably right. Still, I can´t help thinking about Chris Flynn, the guy whose truck was found abandoned in the vicinity of where Maura´s accident happened. He seemed to have fallen of the face of the earth with no clues whatsoever as to what happened to him. One day he simply reappeared, and it turned out he had been living in California for 8 months. Ok, 8 months vs 8 years. But still, no sightings, nothing.
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Jan 11, 2012
 
Beagle wrote:
<quoted text>Was the size of these bottles of alcohol ever specified?
no- all it said was 6 pack of segrams in scarzienzas last interview with Renner. no mention of segrams in early statements but mentions of Vodka in early statements.
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Jan 11, 2012
 
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If the alcohol was itemized on a receipt, especially in 2004, it was probably purchased Liquors 44, which is in the Stop and Shop plaza on Rt. 9 on the Amherst/Hadley line.
I'm not sure it matters where it was purchased, but maybe someone can make use of it.
stop and shops also have citizen bank atm in them maybe that is where she withdrew the $280
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hannah_b wrote:
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I understand your reasoning and realize you´re most probably right. Still, I can´t help thinking about Chris Flynn, the guy whose truck was found abandoned in the vicinity of where Maura´s accident happened. He seemed to have fallen of the face of the earth with no clues whatsoever as to what happened to him. One day he simply reappeared, and it turned out he had been living in California for 8 months. Ok, 8 months vs 8 years. But still, no sightings, nothing.
Ye, but they are VERY different cases.
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Jan 11, 2012
 
jwb wrote:
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stop and shops also have citizen bank atm in them maybe that is where she withdrew the $280
Years ago it was claimed she used a First Bank ATM.

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hannah_b wrote:
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I understand your reasoning and realize you´re most probably right. Still, I can´t help thinking about Chris Flynn, the guy whose truck was found abandoned in the vicinity of where Maura´s accident happened. He seemed to have fallen of the face of the earth with no clues whatsoever as to what happened to him. One day he simply reappeared, and it turned out he had been living in California for 8 months. Ok, 8 months vs 8 years. But still, no sightings, nothing.
She is likely dead but there is the possibility of her not being in the US. Canada is a hop, skip and a jump so three is that possibility. There have been several woman (and a few men) in particular who have disappeared for a considerable period of time to just reappear. Certainly illegals are able to do it, several million of them. Again, not likely but possible.

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Example of reckless speculation:

Supervisor borrows student's Saturn, which is parked outside dorm, drives uptown and hits Vasi. Comes back and says to student not to tell anyone or I'll say you were absent when Vasi was hit.

Saturn more or less hidden for 2-4 days.

Sat night/early Sun AM: Student leaves dorm room party at 2:30 AM when super is getting off shift. They meet.

Student is very upset, wants to see dad, doesn't negotiate the intersection en route to motel, wrecks car at 3:30 AM.

Sees dad at motel but can't quite tell him about super.

Super, who looks, in the dark, a little like student, calls student Sunday or Monday and says to come over to my place for a couple of drinks and we'll figure something out.
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Ye, but they are VERY different cases.
You´re certainly right. Wishful thinking, I know.
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Beagle wrote:
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If the alcohol was itemized on a receipt, especially in 2004, it was probably purchased Liquors 44, which is in the Stop and Shop plaza on Rt. 9 on the Amherst/Hadley line.
I'm not sure it matters where it was purchased, but maybe someone can make use of it.
If we knopw where it was purchased, maybe it would be possible to find out if they had cameras.
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Jan 11, 2012
 
jwb wrote:
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stop and shops also have citizen bank atm in them maybe that is where she withdrew the $280
I could be wrong, but I don't think Citizen's was in Hadley or W. MA Stop and Shop in Feb. 2004, but could be wrong. Basically Bank Boston was in Stop and Shop, followed by Fleet, which was in turn absorbed by Bank of America, which never kept the Stop and Shop offices open. They were replaced by Citizens in W. MA, but I think around 2006. Could be wrong.

Liquors 44 may have had one of those mini ATMs.
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Years ago it was claimed she used a First Bank ATM.
Never heard of them in W. MA.
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If we knopw where it was purchased, maybe it would be possible to find out if they had cameras.
Kind of late now, I would think. Location of liquor store (depending on receipt date) might, however, point to an intended route. If, for example, Maura left UMass headed for Hadley or Northampton, then she might have stopped on the way at Liquors 44, a popular place for students to buy alcohol. Between SW and Liquors 44, on Univ. Dr., there is a liquor store in the New Market Square (or whatever it's called, where Louis's used to be, across from the Hangar).

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