DatingOk, you say you have experienced drivers leaving their car after DUI. How many experiences have you seen where the driver just walked into the woods to die?You said yourself that most drivers return at a later time. As far as the sneakers go, I had read that along time ago. If you know something different then i stand corrected.<quoted text>
You make so many speculative comments jwb, "she would have done this, she wouldn't have done that........" "If she had running shoes.." Do you know what she was wearing? Did she have boots?
How can you say what she would have done, or what she wouldn't have done? Was she acting rational? Did her behavior in the days prior to this seem rational to you? Leaving the scene of an accident? Refusing assistance from passerby?
Try to think outside your bias for a second, she was erratic and irrational, nothing that you say she would have done or wouldn't have done is relevant here, you can not use that as proof of anything in this case.
Suppose this, suppose she was wearing running shoes, she could have covered say....... 5 miles down the road in what, about an hour? Then she could have gone just a few hundred yards into the wood with her booze, found a place to rest, sweaty and tired, scared and depressed, had a few more drinks, started to get cold and fell asleep.....
Just like that, 5 miles from the Saturn, in less than an hour and half from when she crashed, in an area that has not been searched at all.... Just like Mrs. Upton, right there where people have walked by but have not seen.....
Think about how many times people walked right by Mrs. Upton and did not see here....
Maura Murray
Posted in the Franconia Forum
47,062 Comments
Add to my Tracker
More Franconia Discussions »
Comments (Page 412)
|
|
|
Again jwb, "you would think...."? Maybe YOU would think that, but frankly I know how large an area that is, and how desolate that area is, I also know how a body decomposes in the elements and how wildlife can 'rearrange' a decompsing body....... So perhaps 'YOU would think; something would have surfaced, however in an area that large and desolate, I DO NOT THINK something would have surfaced. It is a huge area, very sparsely populated, with lots of wildlife. The only people walking those woods are a very few hunters and random hikers, and thats not a big hiking area at all. After the first 6 months, winter then spring thaw, the only thing that could even be found would be remnants of her clothing or bones. Everything else is likely long gone, there isn't much to find. |
|
|
Judged:
1
1
1 reaching; absence of correlative factors includes whether a pregnancy was confirmed, and the length of gestation at the time of her inquiry. also unknown is the extent to which MM indulged in alcohol consumption. your conclusion that "she is demonstrating an act of curiosity, and concern for her unborn baby" seems speculative, at best. |
|
|
FRMle: you also say that I am speculating yet you keep making inferences to Mauras frame of mind and you have no idea what her frame of mind was. The only thing you know is that Maura didn't want BA to call the police.
|
|
|
Judged:
1
1
1 For what purpose would she leave the scene of an accident when help was on its way? Perhaps she was drunk, upset, depressed, scared and wanted to commit suicide? Are you really focused on the sneakers? Really, thats your proof that she didn't go into the woods, cause she may have been wearing sneakers? Wow, it shows just how distant you are from the reality of a persons potential emotional instability. jwb, I had a person who was being arrested for underage alcohol possession, who ran from me and jumped off a bridge into a shallow river and broke both legs and back. For a violation level offense, he jumped off a bridge! So you are telling me that if this one dude jumped off a bridge to avoid the police, that another girl wouldn't walk into the snow with sneakers on?? Really? jwb, just a suggestion but maybe you would fair better reading more and posting less. Just a suggestion. |
|
|
Since: Dec 11
Location hidden |
Judged:
2
1
1 An educated pregnant woman might not purchase $40 of booze for personal consumption... unless, unless it was for someone else or as a house gift. But the wine, Seagrams and liqueur all sound like girl drinks to me. So... doubtful if anyone was in the family way. I wouldn't bet my pin money on the so-called "big reveal" in JR's blog. I'd want to hear it from the UMass computer forensics team who allegedly perused her hard drive data about that (maybe) internet search. And even if that was the case perhaps it was research for a patient or a friend. |
|
Judged:
2
1
1 But we do know what her state of mind was, based on her behavior prior to leaving. Aren't a PERSONS ACTIONS a good indication of a persons state of mind? If I painted my face and ran naked through Wal Mart yelling "the redcoats are coming, the redcoats are coming..." wouldn't you infer that I was acting erratic? Aren't a persons actions indicative of their state of mind? And btw, it wasn't just that she didn't want BA to call police, it was that she lied to him and then comitted a criminal offense by leaving the scene of an accident when help was coming. |
|
|
Since: Dec 11
Location hidden |
Judged:
4 I'll keep my eyes peeled on CNN Live. |
|
Judged:
1 you "think" she wouldn't be found by now. I "think" she would. we just see it differently thats all |
|
The actions prior to a suicide are always different, don't be silly here. You want to know how many suicide's there are a year? Here you go.. •Every 14.6 minutes someone in the United States dies by suicide. •Nearly 1,000,000 people make a suicide attempt every year. Again, it brings me back to the fact that unless you are a cop, paramedic or similar field you don't understand that suicides are pretty common, for a million reasons. Happens all the time, I have had days when I covered multiple suicides a day, in a smallish town. Read the news every once in a while, gather some information out there and see what the world is like outside your livingroom. |
|
one can only draw possible conclusions without certainty as to what caused her to do the things that she did |
|
|
Judged:
2
2
2 Yes but one of our opinions is based on lots of facts and experience, the other is based on nothing more than uneducated speculation with no experience whatsoever. How many searches have you conducted, or been on again? I'll let you guess which is which. |
|
|
Judged:
1 I see, suicide is your theory. How many dui drivers have you seen just walk away and kill themselves? and by the way, I am in the kitchen and not the living room so don't assume. |
|
|
Judged:
1 you are the Man I guess. |
|
|
Judged:
2
1
1 what are your facts about maura going into the woods to commit suicide? Do you know for a fact she did commit suicide? Do you know for a fact she is dead? Do you know for a fact her frame of mind? You may have experience but when you boil it down you are still making an assumption like anyone else. What is it about army guys and ex LE officers that make them feel they are so much better than everyone else?You did the same thing on the last forum you were in and ticked off a lot of people there |
|
|
Judged:
1
1 my posts are frequently judged to be "mean''; i submit that some of us are less willing to tolerate stubborn pushback in response to our reasonable, intelligent arguments. and then, the subsequent repetition of the same argument circles back over days, months and years. 'tis the nature of the beasts here...plural. |
|
|
SBD had commented that Maura had looked cold, was shivering. I believe that was his description of her. Also, the Saturn had laminated, urethane bonded windshield glass (assists in holding glass particles intact). After looking at the windshield (driver's side) it appears that the driver's head had impacted windshield. Radial and concentric damage cracks, appearing in a sort of spider web pattern are evident. The cracks radiate out from the contact point (contact point where someone's head had hit the windshield fairly hard). Refer to: www.tbiguide.com/howbrainhurt
Scroll to "Bruising (bleeding)" and read this section. Also there has been some controversy as to whether the Saturn may have been involved in a first accident along Route 112 that evening (officer???? had observed the driver of a dark-colored car driving away from that accident scene?). Also controversy about damage on car matching height, etc to what the vehicle may have hit. Possibility exists that Maura may have sustained a head injury. While she may have appeared to be "okay" she may have actually not been okay if experiencing head injury. |
|
|
Judged:
2
2
1 jwb, here is one thing we can agree on, there is no doubt that we don't know what really happened and I am speculating. I have never said otherwise. What I am doing is discussing the facts of the case and trying to make assumptions based on the likelyhood of all possible scenarios. As I have said before, just because there are several possibilities that does not mean that all possibilities are equally likely. Some are more likely than others, and since no one knows for sure there is some value in discussing the facts that may affect which possibilities are more likely. That is all I am doing, using facts available to me and my experience to propose the most likely scenario of what happened. The people that I supposedly 'ticked off' in the other forum are completely dillusional and blind. My experience has shown me that being right is not always synonomous with being popular and liked. But if I had to choose, I will go with being right and unpopular. |
|
|
Judged:
1 **yes, absolutely. And btw, it wasn't just that she didn't want BA to call police, it was that she lied to him and then comitted a criminal offense by leaving the scene of an accident when help was coming.~FrmLE **while she had no obligation to tell the truth to a stranger, indeed, she lied. again. wonder why. |
|
|
Judged:
2
2
1 Appears to whom? To you? Because it did not appear that way to anyone who examined the windshield. Her head did not impact the windshield, there are clear indications when this happens and in this case there were none. Aftermath, you are seriously the most wacky poster on here, the stuff you come up with are so out of left field it is borderline comical. It would not surprise me if jwb agrees with most every theory you float. Great minds think alike! |
|
|
Tell me when this thread is updated: (Registration is not required) |
|
Please note by clicking on "Post Comment" you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.
33
Users are viewing the
Franconia Forum
right now
Search the Franconia Forum:
| Topic | Updated | Last By | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| COlumbos HOuse of SPam | 4 hr | Habs | 546 |
| Author James Renner's Cruel Online 'Ruse' | 6 hr | Red October | 19 |
|
Surprise Fireball Streaks Across Stunning Night...
(Jul '13)
|
9 hr | Willy Lion | 16 |
|
Who do you support for U.S. House in New Hampsh...
(Oct '10)
|
Sun | Habs | 25 |
|
New book questions Ayotte judgment in officer s...
(Sep '09)
|
Apr 19 | Red October | 92 |
| "TO TELL THE TRUTH" The Quest for True Identities | Apr 17 | Pointless Endeavor | 57 |
|
NH law keeps murder case liars on the hook forever
(Jul '09)
|
Apr 15 | SPQR | 13 |
•••
•••
•••
•••
•••
Trending on the Topix Network
•••
Franconia People Search
•••
Personal Finance
•••
