Maura Murray

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mcsmom wrote:

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PHOTOS OF ACTUAL SNOW COVERAGE AT RTE 112 CURVE WEATHERED BARN LOCATION FEB 2004:
http://kunhardtphoto.com/missingmaura

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jwb wrote:

8) No gray areas. The law enforcement officer works in a fact-based world with everything compared to written law. Right and wrong is determined by a standard. They have a set way of going about gathering the proper evidence for the law and can justify their actions because they represent the "good and right side." In the real world, clear rights and wrongs are not as likely to occur. The newspapers are an opinion-based system, the court system is an opinion-based system and, needless to say, relationship decisions and proper parenting techniques are opinion-based systems. Adjusting from right and wrong, black-and-white systems, to opinion-based systems is very difficult and requires a complete change in mental attitude.

mcsmom wrote:

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PHOTOS OF ACTUAL SNOW COVERAGE AT RTE 112 CURVE WEATHERED BARN LOCATION FEB 2004:
http://kunhardtphoto.com/missingmaura

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jwb wrote:

I found this web page helpful for trying to understand why there is such a big disconnect with some LE and other members of society. They list 10 traits. I posted # 8 along with the web page address:
http://www.heavybadge.com/10reason.htm
8) No gray areas. The law enforcement officer works in a fact-based world with everything compared to written law. Right and wrong is determined by a standard. They have a set way of going about gathering the proper evidence for the law and can justify their actions because they represent the "good and right side." In the real world, clear rights and wrongs are not as likely to occur. The newspapers are an opinion-based system, the court system is an opinion-based system and, needless to say, relationship decisions and proper parenting techniques are opinion-based systems. Adjusting from right and wrong, black-and-white systems, to opinion-based systems is very difficult and requires a complete change in mental attitude.

Advocate wrote:

<quoted text> Enough to make my point that progress especially with inadequate footgear would risk slips/trips, falls, etc. Not impossible to walk but slow.

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Not So wrote:

Scarinza said a canine tracked Murray for about 100 yards east of where Murray's car went off the road.
He said the trail ended in the general area of Atwood's residence.
Because the trail came to an end, Scarinza believes it is an indication she left the area in a car.

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FrmLE wrote:

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Ok, now please use the exact quote instead of your interpretation of what was said. Because, what you typed is NOT WHAT WAS SAID!
I know it would be nice to be able to "modify" statements to fit your theory, however it's not going to fly here...
So let me clarify for you. No one has ever said that LE believes Maura left in a vehicle. The dog tracked down the road and ended it's track, for reasons only the dog knows. The track was 2 days after Maura went missing, not exactly a great scent left to track.
The comment made by Scarinza was this: " Does that mean she got into a vehicle? Perhaps. Does that mean it wasn't a scent opportunity? That it had been too long to follow? Perhaps."
Perhaps, perhaps not. It is obvious Scrainza does not know whether she got into a vehicle and is doing a pretty good job of straddling the fence, "maybe she did mayne she didn't."
His comment when asked about her getting a ride, he said this: "My sense is that she might have gotten a ride." That is another way of saying, "she might not have gotten a ride, because I don't know."
So for you to say that LE believes she left the scene in a vehicle is pretty inaccurate, isn't it? Nice try though, muddy the water and maybe people will believe your Bull. Sorry, not me.

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FrmLE wrote:

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Ok, now please use the exact quote instead of your interpretation of what was said. Because, what you typed is NOT WHAT WAS SAID!
I know it would be nice to be able to "modify" statements to fit your theory, however it's not going to fly here...
So let me clarify for you. No one has ever said that LE believes Maura left in a vehicle. The dog tracked down the road and ended it's track, for reasons only the dog knows. The track was 2 days after Maura went missing, not exactly a great scent left to track.
The comment made by Scarinza was this: " Does that mean she got into a vehicle? Perhaps. Does that mean it wasn't a scent opportunity? That it had been too long to follow? Perhaps."
Perhaps, perhaps not. It is obvious Scrainza does not know whether she got into a vehicle and is doing a pretty good job of straddling the fence, "maybe she did mayne she didn't."
His comment when asked about her getting a ride, he said this: "My sense is that she might have gotten a ride." That is another way of saying, "she might not have gotten a ride, because I don't know."
So for you to say that LE believes she left the scene in a vehicle is pretty inaccurate, isn't it? Nice try though, muddy the water and maybe people will believe your Bull. Sorry, not me.

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Not So wrote:

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Well, I didn't hear the words directly, but that information is taken directly (unedited) from a Caledonian Record article dated February 21, 2004. I saved it, but you'll have to pay for it since you don't want to believe what I've posted. Or perhaps you can find the article somewhere else online. The title of the article follows:
Search For Missing Woman Extended To Vermont
Nothing Turned Up
By GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer

Frostman wrote:

Pay no mind to the ingrates JWB. Let Snowy have her buttered popcorn and irrational misogynistic rants.

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Det Columbo wrote:

The arrogance and rudeness that is spewed forth from the fingertips of FrmLE...

FrmLE wrote:

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Ok, now please use the exact quote instead of your interpretation of what was said. Because, what you typed is NOT WHAT WAS SAID!
I know it would be nice to be able to "modify" statements to fit your theory, however it's not going to fly here...
So let me clarify for you. No one has ever said that LE believes Maura left in a vehicle. The dog tracked down the road and ended it's track, for reasons only the dog knows. The track was 2 days after Maura went missing, not exactly a great scent left to track.
The comment made by Scarinza was this: " Does that mean she got into a vehicle? Perhaps. Does that mean it wasn't a scent opportunity? That it had been too long to follow? Perhaps."
Perhaps, perhaps not. It is obvious Scrainza does not know whether she got into a vehicle and is doing a pretty good job of straddling the fence, "maybe she did mayne she didn't."
His comment when asked about her getting a ride, he said this: "My sense is that she might have gotten a ride." That is another way of saying, "she might not have gotten a ride, because I don't know."
So for you to say that LE believes she left the scene in a vehicle is pretty inaccurate, isn't it? Nice try though, muddy the water and maybe people will believe your Bull. Sorry, not me.

Det Columbo wrote:

You sir are an ass [...]

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Snowy wrote:

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well, now there is a frosty reply! while your registration at Topix is recent, i have had the benefit of the history of tens of thousands of posts behind me to draw the conclusions i've made.
the link supplied by jwb in the context of her argument here against certain posters most certainly reflects a negative stereotype of law enforcement. that, in part, has driven a great deal of suspicion toward LE surrounding MM's disappearance.

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Det Columbo wrote:

The arrogance and rudeness that is spewed forth from the fingertips of FrmLE in his retirement from law enforcement makes Me happy he is no longer a cop.
FrmLE..... You must have been a real cactus as a cop. I am sure your curbside manner left a lot to be desired.
You sir are an ass to be polite. Did You leave of your own accord or were You tossed? Just Asking.!
John