Maura Murray

aftermath wrote:

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jwb,
I'm not judging you. Someone else is judging you.

Thanks aftermath- I know

Frostman wrote:

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Horse puckey. Never in the history of everdom has it been stated that the dorm room was completely unpacked from holiday break and then boxed up again.
Perhaps they didn't clean the rooms in your public or private academic "setting"? Did y'all have to pitch in and scrub the latrine with toothbrushes?

i'm giving you my sage experience, which you may take or leave, Ducky Bunky.
one NEVER packs up one's dorm room before breaks...extended or otherwise.
or, maybe we didn't attend institutions where there were fleas and lice. you know?

Rod wrote:

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Tom, if you've been reading these forums for awhile then you know there are plenty of people that more or less agree with what you are saying and how you are saying it, give or take a few insights. Also, if you don't already know what a duck is, you are about to find out.

hi, "Rod", i remember you from about 4 years ago. how's it goin'?

Rod wrote:

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Tom, if you've been reading these forums for awhile then you know there are plenty of people that more or less agree with what you are saying and how you are saying it, give or take a few insights. Also, if you don't already know what a duck is, you are about to find out.

Duck = Childs Play that the topix police waddle in. pretty juvenile.
not you Rod but the whole duck thing.

5,000 snowy posts and not one bit of insight to maura being missing. only duck this, duck that shack this shack that etc...

your Buddy WTH is doing the same thing in the PM forum and it is shameful.Arguing with the mother of a missing Child.

aftermath wrote:

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Good morning SNOWY,
JWB is happy you are back. You needed some rest. A few hours sleep, but still it is helpful to you. Hopefully.

we're not shoveling snow here, we're shoveling posts...by the thousands! Topix is so kind and generous to entertain this sport!

Frostman wrote:

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Potatoe, potato.
When I was at university we removed our dubious artwork from the walls over the holiday breaks so that cleaning staff could clean, steam and sometimes fumigate the dorm rooms. Sometimes they even painted the walls. We were required to pick everything up off the floors and put it on the beds so the floors could be polished and waxed.
Unless it is known that MM put everything back after returning from the break in late January**, 2004 then it's most likely, IMO, that she never even unpacked. Maybe they were going to fumigate the week of Feb 9th?
** Here's the UMass 2011/2012 schedule so you get an idea of the semesters:
http://www.umass.edu/registrar/gen_info/acade...

Frostman,
Some seem to believe she may have not been residing in her dorm room. I know most colleges and universities clean during spring break. Let's consider the possibility that she had been living somewhere other than her dorm room and had used Saturn to move everything (even over a period of a few days) back into her dorm room. What she felt important to take with her, she left these items in her car. She knew directions to Jigger Johnson campground. Possibly she'd given her favorite book to someone to read, along with directions to Jigger Johnson campground. Her family members knew where Jigger Johnson campground was located. She knew where it was located. So it seems the directions to the campground were intended for someone who did not know where the campground was located. She believed the camp ground to be one of the best around, she had loved the place. A map for someone who did not know the area? Why would she need a map to find the place?

Snowy wrote:

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hi, "Rod", i remember you from about 4 years ago. how's it goin'?

awe the welcoming committee. How sweet. Hypocrite

Tom, why do you think LE would claim to have (2 or 1) videos of Maura on the day she disappeared (and say that she was alone) but yet not show those videos to family or the public. VIdeos of people right before the disappeared are often shown to the public sooner if not later. Not here. A strategic move by LE? The Ducks will tell you its a cover up by LE, but you theory makes much more sense.

Jwb wrote:

5,000 snowy posts and not one bit of insight to maura being missing. only duck this, duck that shack this shack that etc...
your Buddy WTH is doing the same thing in the PM forum and it is shameful.Arguing with the mother of a missing Child.

i trust he has provided plenty of professional insight to add to the conversations, and more importantly, he has solid intentions that trend toward what can be proven as truth.
i am too bashful to list my contributions here. they must be too subtle for you to recognize.
in reality, our world is filled with so much joy, sorrow and everything in between. we cannot possibly intervene in ways to make a significant differences by beating dead horses....and yet, we all do. daily.
conclusion: we are one helluva bunch of stubborn people.

Jwb wrote:

5,000 snowy posts and not one bit of insight to maura being missing. only duck this, duck that shack this shack that etc...
your Buddy WTH is doing the same thing in the PM forum and it is shameful.Arguing with the mother of a missing Child.

As usual you have no sense of history, what has transpired before, or how badly this woman was and is continuing to be abused by people trying to convince her that her child was murdered. It no longer becomes just her concern when she goes public on a forum. And the child isn't missing. The young boy is dead. Your head has been planted up your ass for too long. You should refrain from commenting on things that you really have no knowledge about. It makes you appear foolish (sometimes actually stupid) and wastes everyone's time. I give Snowy credit. I have rarely seen such a tremendous volume of pure crap from a single source or two (jwb and aftermath/interesting). It takes a lot of stamina to battle it. She is doing a really good job.

Bill

Jwb wrote:

5,000 snowy posts and not one bit of insight to maura being missing. only duck this, duck that shack this shack that etc...
your Buddy WTH is doing the same thing in the PM forum and it is shameful.Arguing with the mother of a missing Child.

jwb,
I've followed the sites from the time of her disappearance and see the same posters who are promoting the runaway and/or suicide theories as well as the "ran off with a lover" theory and "is living somewhere else idea." If anyone, especially newcomers to sites suggest abduction,serial killer at work theory...Snowy, WTH, et al, jump into action using sarcasm, ridicule with the intention of forcing newcomers off this and other sites. Whatever they represent, they are not too intelligent since their form of persuasion and intent is far too obvious. Their interests would be best served by being less obvious. Bill is at times pompous, Snowy much of the time simply agrees with WTH, Wowzer, et all....and emotionally strokes them. I've made a list of those who are not members of the pack and have been contemplating responding to them only.

Snowy, I think these people here don't understand you. They think you just want to shut down conversation. I remember you liking a good rigorous discussion, and I am sure you are frustrated by the same ol same ol discussions happening here.

Whatever became of Det. Columbo and Aftermath knowing each other. That's a hoot ain't it?

How many people do you really think are posting here now? 5 or 6?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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As usual you have no sense of history, what has transpired before, or how badly this woman was and is continuing to be abused by people trying to convince her that her child was murdered. It no longer becomes just her concern when she goes public on a forum. And the child isn't missing. The young boy is dead. Your head has been planted up your ass for too long. You should refrain from commenting on things that you really have no knowledge about. It makes you appear foolish (sometimes actually stupid) and wastes everyone's time. I give Snowy credit. I have rarely seen such a tremendous volume of pure crap from a single source or two (jwb and aftermath/interesting). It takes a lot of stamina to battle it. She is doing a really good job.
Bill

jwb,
Read Bill's last sentence and note the word "job." This says it all. JOB. Bill, Snowy, et al, are doing their "job." What does their "job" entail? Their "job" tends to be METHODICALLY attacking Maura's character and seemingly protecting someone who abducted her. This is the only logical perspective, given their hostility toward those posing OTHER theories other than the drunken, dwi-avoiding, runaway, suicide theory. At least this is my impression and I've been following their posts for years. They KNOW they have a serial killer in that area. Attempting to have people believe P. Clark dove off a bridge 3.5 ft from the water with the intent of suicide??????? An 'accidental' fall? Please. They must think the population at large is completely ignorant. There is a problem in that area or otherwise task force would not be warranted. Even a "border" task force. Yes, there is a problem.

aftermath wrote:

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jwb,
I've followed the sites from the time of her disappearance and see the same posters who are promoting the runaway and/or suicide theories as well as the "ran off with a lover" theory and "is living somewhere else idea." If anyone, especially newcomers to sites suggest abduction,serial killer at work theory...Snowy, WTH, et al, jump into action using sarcasm, ridicule with the intention of forcing newcomers off this and other sites. Whatever they represent, they are not too intelligent since their form of persuasion and intent is far too obvious. Their interests would be best served by being less obvious. Bill is at times pompous, Snowy much of the time simply agrees with WTH, Wowzer, et all....and emotionally strokes them. I've made a list of those who are not members of the pack and have been contemplating responding to them only.

oh, surely you are in need of correcting; i let your untoward comment go the first time without answering. i extend both criticism and praise according, and anything in-between, according to my authentic opinions, for whatever they matter. opinions, after all, are just that.

jwb,
Not all of these deaths are due to one person. There appears to be an attempt to connect his death with the guy who is killing some of these young women. Possibly, it is an attempt to create confusion. Who knows. It is doubtful the young boy's death is the work of the mystery road warrior who is still cruisin' that area. An opinion? Everything surrounding the deaths of these young women is entirely opinion from EVERYONE because mystery road warrior is leaving no clues.

aftermath wrote:

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Frostman,
Some seem to believe she may have not been residing in her dorm room. I know most colleges and universities clean during spring break. Let's consider the possibility that she had been living somewhere other than her dorm room and had used Saturn to move everything (even over a period of a few days) back into her dorm room. What she felt important to take with her, she left these items in her car. She knew directions to Jigger Johnson campground. Possibly she'd given her favorite book to someone to read, along with directions to Jigger Johnson campground. Her family members knew where Jigger Johnson campground was located. She knew where it was located. So it seems the directions to the campground were intended for someone who did not know where the campground was located. She believed the camp ground to be one of the best around, she had loved the place. A map for someone who did not know the area? Why would she need a map to find the place?

They do clean at break-time, TG otherwise goodness knows what would crawl out of the woodwork! Perhaps not at Snowy's reform school, but there are daily and weekly cleaning services at colleges and universities, at least there was at Frosty's alma mater.

Has anyone seen before and after pictures of MM's dorm room? Nope, didn't think so.

The JJ bookmark? Probably just taken from the glovebox at some time or other to be used as a page marker, IMO.

Besides, who would camp at any time of year, especially winter? Only Snowy and her previous incarnations on Topix, all alone in her tot tent, protesting, but.. but I have to have veto power. Snowy, beleive it or not, was at one time an earnest quester trying to find out why and how Maura disappeared...

Tom wrote:
If your daughter wants to be with you in a one bed hotel room at 2:30 AM (which is weird) and crashes your car while having a couple drinks. If your cool enough not to make a big deal about it then I'm sure your daughter would open up to you and tell you anything that was bothering her, and where and why she was going to NH if it wasn't to see you.
I'm not saying he's guilty but they're a lot of facts that point towards him atleast knowing a little more than he knows. I think once LE realized that he wasn't talking much they went into shutdown mode with him, or they picked up some strong evidence to make him a POI.
I'm not even saying he killed her, maybe he helped her runaway, to help her start a new life. And maybe LE is thinking the same thing. Maybe they won't charge him until and or if they find a body, cause otherwise it wouldn't be a murder he would have assisted her in running away.
i tend to agree.

jwb,
The above is a fine example of how the little pack takes every opportunity to trash the character of Mr. M and his daughter. What group might have motive to do this?

Frostman wrote:

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They do clean at break-time, TG otherwise goodness knows what would crawl out of the woodwork! Perhaps not at Snowy's reform school, but there are daily and weekly cleaning services at colleges and universities, at least there was at Frosty's alma mater.
Has anyone seen before and after pictures of MM's dorm room? Nope, didn't think so.
The JJ bookmark? Probably just taken from the glovebox at some time or other to be used as a page marker, IMO.
Besides, who would camp at any time of year, especially winter? Only Snowy and her previous incarnations on Topix, all alone in her tot tent, protesting, but.. but I have to have veto power. Snowy, beleive it or not, was at one time an earnest quester trying to find out why and how Maura disappeared...

Frostman,
No reference had been made to anyone camping at JJ in a tent in the midst of winter.

Don't worry about "Tom". Until yesterday he thought Renner was a county in New Hampshire and that Scarinza was a noodle dish at Jing Fong.

Keep those lips aflappin'.