Maura Murray

Sounds like maura was in serious legal trouble,Again.Maybe she was running away.Maybe her sister was angry about it Via the hysterical phone call.Maybe Fred was in Amherst helping maura hatch a plan.Or as Tom said,Maybe Fred had had enough & snapped.

Perhaps the identification of the youth RF saw 5 miles from the Weathered Barn scene more closely matched the person in the video the from the liquor store, Maura.

Maybe the identification of the girl in the drivers seat by BA more closely matched the girl in the ATM video.

Maybe there was more to the email Maura sent to her professors stating there was a death in the family.....

Was Officer Ruddock part of the sting operation?

findmaura wrote:

Sounds like maura was in serious legal trouble,Again.Maybe she was running away.Maybe her sister was angry about it Via the hysterical phone call.Maybe Fred was in Amherst helping maura hatch a plan.Or as Tom said,Maybe Fred had had enough & snapped.

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if she wasn't living in the dorm she was at least having pizza's delivered there in nov 2003. I could care less about typo's BTW. jwb is an idiot.

Frostman wrote:

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I'm sure he's grateful his QC name isn't Porcier.:)

wouldn't be lost on one poster.....

jwb wrote:

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48 plus 3 =51
Math was not my strong suit but 51 is my final answer.

From 7.27 to 7.48 = 21 minutes.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Does anyone else remember the "side road" comment? I don't remember hearing that. I thought that he came out of a side road rt 116 from Franconia and that the person seen was on 112. I could be wrong so I am asking what others remember or better yet, can point to something.
Bill

I remember reading the witness seeing the person jogging on 112 and when the person noticed him (RF) s/he went down a logging road that was identified by the poster. It had a name, which I don´t remember.

Tom wrote:

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It would be dumb to get caught with the weapon as well.
You can't tell me the Mr. Atwood didn't ID Maura because it was really dark, and than assume Maura would place a rag in the tail pipe to show her car broke down.

The rag was reportedly shoved way up the tailpipe and not easily visible.

findmaura wrote:

So if Maura was using a stolen credit card for food it doesnt sound like she was getting much financial help from family.That leads me to question the car shopping scenerio.Is there evidence of actual car shopping?

To me, this behavior is indicative of a serious eating disorder. A bulimic person may consume several times the amount of food of a normal person per day, and food costs will amount to several times the normal costs. Stealing money or food, or shoplifting, is quite usual under these circumstances. If you google search bulimia there will come up some very informative sites.

For all those people who have over the last trillion pages offered comment such as...

Why would she have risked a DUI, why would she have left the car, why wouldn't she have done this or done that........

If you have based any of your theories on what you as a resonable person would or wouldn't have done and then dismissed the things that Maura did becuase they "didn't make sense".... You may want to read the things that Maura did back at UMass.

Stealing credit card info, multiple times til she got caught? Seriously, OK I can buy doing it once or twice, but doing it multiple times over a period of months until you got caught?

Does that sound like something a "reasonable" person would do? Is that "rational" behavior?

Of course not, because every day, all around us, people do unreasonable, irrational, erratic things. They make bad choices, they make mistakes, they sometimes reach the end of their rope.

Every single thing indicates that Maura was having serious emotional, stress based issues that affected her judgement to a significant degree.

Her behavior was erratic and irrational, so why then do so many people discount her actions based on the premise that "she wouldn't walk into snow with sneakers on..." or "she wouldn't just walk away without having someone meet her..." or the evr famous "if she was going to kill herself, why would she pack her suitcase?"

The answer to all those questions is, because irrational people do irrational things! It happens every day folks.

Maura was acting out of character and doing things that didn't make sense. I think Fred knew this which is why his first response was "She went there to kill herself".

Just remember the credit card arrest whenever you begin to type "but she wouldn't have done that, or she would have done this..." Yes, it seems she in fact would do things that make no sense, she was doing them every day.

Just a thought.

Good kids make poor choices all the time.....but I don't buy running off or contemplating suicide over 79 bucks.

And no, Ruddock didn't tag a DUI on her (if she was), so more reason for her to feel relieved.

FrmLE wrote:

For all those people who have over the last trillion pages offered comment such as...
Why would she have risked a DUI, why would she have left the car, why wouldn't she have done this or done that........
If you have based any of your theories on what you as a resonable person would or wouldn't have done and then dismissed the things that Maura did becuase they "didn't make sense".... You may want to read the things that Maura did back at UMass.
Stealing credit card info, multiple times til she got caught? Seriously, OK I can buy doing it once or twice, but doing it multiple times over a period of months until you got caught?
Does that sound like something a "reasonable" person would do? Is that "rational" behavior?
Of course not, because every day, all around us, people do unreasonable, irrational, erratic things. They make bad choices, they make mistakes, they sometimes reach the end of their rope.
Every single thing indicates that Maura was having serious emotional, stress based issues that affected her judgement to a significant degree.
Her behavior was erratic and irrational, so why then do so many people discount her actions based on the premise that "she wouldn't walk into snow with sneakers on..." or "she wouldn't just walk away without having someone meet her..." or the evr famous "if she was going to kill herself, why would she pack her suitcase?"
The answer to all those questions is, because irrational people do irrational things! It happens every day folks.
Maura was acting out of character and doing things that didn't make sense. I think Fred knew this which is why his first response was "She went there to kill herself".
Just remember the credit card arrest whenever you begin to type "but she wouldn't have done that, or she would have done this..." Yes, it seems she in fact would do things that make no sense, she was doing them every day.
Just a thought.

If reports are correct about her having done the same at WP and it was even the reason she was terminated/given the option of quittung, she actually did it over a period of a couple YEARS and got caught at least twice.

I do believe Fred knew about this and that´s what initially made him believe she intended to kill herself.

I am pretty convinced it was all based in bulimia, which she had a mild bout of in her late teens, and which was at the time reportedly not just returning but getting worse. Alcohol or substance abuse often go hand in hand with eating disorders, and I think the overuse/abuse of alcohol may have been connected to the worsening bulimia.

hannah_b wrote:

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If reports are correct about her having done the same at WP and it was even the reason she was terminated/given the option of quittung, she actually did it over a period of a couple YEARS and got caught at least twice.
I do believe Fred knew about this and that´s what initially made him believe she intended to kill herself.
I am pretty convinced it was all based in bulimia, which she had a mild bout of in her late teens, and which was at the time reportedly not just returning but getting worse. Alcohol or substance abuse often go hand in hand with eating disorders, and I think the overuse/abuse of alcohol may have been connected to the worsening bulimia.

I don't usually judge others.....but that being said, I'm left feeling that if Fred or someone in the family had only disclosed this information about Maura immediately, then maybe she could have been found. Instead, he said her previous life didn't matter...... It's apparent that her previous life DID matter, and there were things going on that DID matter.....really sad that perhaps her own father conttributed to the lack of finding her...yet he blames it all on LE and the locals. It really pisses me off, that family members would portray a young adult as the picture of perfection while all that was going on. I'm simply disgusted.

Which of course brings me to my next thought....... Several years ago I looked up some Londonderry information -- there was a pschologist/counselor person in that area who specialized in treating young women move beyond major stumbling blocks in their life/personal development. She worked with holistic methods--gems/herbs/stuff like that and had a website that was pretty informative. I posted the information on one of the old forums but can't even begin to figure out where to find it!

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>I don't usually judge others.....but that being said, I'm left feeling that if Fred or someone in the family had only disclosed this information about Maura immediately, then maybe she could have been found. Instead, he said her previous life didn't matter...... It's apparent that her previous life DID matter, and there were things going on that DID matter.....really sad that perhaps her own father conttributed to the lack of finding her...yet he blames it all on LE and the locals. It really pisses me off, that family members would portray a young adult as the picture of perfection while all that was going on. I'm simply disgusted.

both FM and MM have been well supported by the PBB (self-named) in their insistence that nothing untoward happened in MM's life prior to her disappearance. of course, the credit card issue was WELL KNOWN to the PBB before JR's confirmation. call it protection or call it cover-up, the job of the PBB was/is to distract from "truth" or "facts" to provide little by way of accurate information.
it is unusual for a family grieving loss to behave this way, imo, and the opinion of others.
it certainly makes these discussions endlessly circular and frustrating.
the first mention by whiston on topix of credit card fraud drew scorn by the PBB.
L4M....do we agree?
and, guess what? there must be much, much more to the story.

folks - you don't "stuff a rag" into the tailpipe of a disabled car to signal a breakdown...especially a white "rag" during the winter when the pavement is (semi) snow-covered.

you attach a cloth to the side mirror, or catch it in a window to indicate distress.

it's amazing how a phrase will catch on and is repeated over and over again without the actual knowledge of the circumstances around this story.
add a little mystery with the suggestion of a chloroform-soaked cloth....and the seeds of crime and abduction/homicide are watered.

a campaign of idiocy.

Snowy wrote:

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both FM and MM have been well supported by the PBB (self-named) in their insistence that nothing untoward happened in MM's life prior to her disappearance. of course, the credit card issue was WELL KNOWN to the PBB before JR's confirmation. call it protection or call it cover-up, the job of the PBB was/is to distract from "truth" or "facts" to provide little by way of accurate information.
it is unusual for a family grieving loss to behave this way, imo, and the opinion of others.
it certainly makes these discussions endlessly circular and frustrating.
the first mention by whiston on topix of credit card fraud drew scorn by the PBB.
L4M....do we agree?
and, guess what? there must be much, much more to the story.

We do agree.....

looking4amoose wrote:

Which of course brings me to my next thought....... Several years ago I looked up some Londonderry information -- there was a pschologist/counselor person in that area who specialized in treating young women move beyond major stumbling blocks in their life/personal development. She worked with holistic methods--gems/herbs/stuff like that and had a website that was pretty informative. I posted the information on one of the old forums but can't even begin to figure out where to find it!

well, L4M, there must be plenty to choose from in and around boston. i do recall the posting....but i thought it was a reach to suggest that was her destination.
ditto for her being pregnant and choosing to obtain an abortion out of state.
MA, and especially boston, has those options.
it's all speculative.

it must be just so insulting to local NH residents to have been/be the focus of such a strong campaign by the PBB to not only protect the Murray family, but DISCREDIT LOCAL NH RESIDENTS.

not only would it be wonderful to learn what has become of MM, it would be a relief to the innocent people who have been falsely accused of their involvement....whether it has been by direct accusation or indirect by implication.

FrmLE wrote:

For all those people who have over the last trillion pages offered comment such as...
Why would she have risked a DUI, why would she have left the car, why wouldn't she have done this or done that........
If you have based any of your theories on what you as a resonable person would or wouldn't have done and then dismissed the things that Maura did becuase they "didn't make sense".... You may want to read the things that Maura did back at UMass.
Stealing credit card info, multiple times til she got caught? Seriously, OK I can buy doing it once or twice, but doing it multiple times over a period of months until you got caught?
Does that sound like something a "reasonable" person would do? Is that "rational" behavior?
Of course not, because every day, all around us, people do unreasonable, irrational, erratic things. They make bad choices, they make mistakes, they sometimes reach the end of their rope.
Every single thing indicates that Maura was having serious emotional, stress based issues that affected her judgement to a significant degree.
Her behavior was erratic and irrational, so why then do so many people discount her actions based on the premise that "she wouldn't walk into snow with sneakers on..." or "she wouldn't just walk away without having someone meet her..." or the evr famous "if she was going to kill herself, why would she pack her suitcase?"
The answer to all those questions is, because irrational people do irrational things! It happens every day folks.
Maura was acting out of character and doing things that didn't make sense. I think Fred knew this which is why his first response was "She went there to kill herself".
Just remember the credit card arrest whenever you begin to type "but she wouldn't have done that, or she would have done this..." Yes, it seems she in fact would do things that make no sense, she was doing them every day.
Just a thought.

i hope you understand my frustration with the hourly, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly pondering to pin down, justify and/or explain the probable "irrational" actions presumed to have been taken by MM that ended in the mystery of her appearance. sigh.
the PBB has intentionally impeded public knowledge of points of fact surrounding this "mystery" while, at the same time, pleading to "find Maura Murray".
it is insulting to the collective intelligence of the public.