Maura Murray

Advocate wrote:

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According to RobinsonOrdway (woman who reported on the red pickup truck), Lt. Monahan stopped and spoke to her briefly on the evening of 2-9-04 as he was coming away from the Saturn crash site on Rt. 112. Monahan was NHSP, and responded to the call in case the accident had occurred in his jurisdiction, which it did not. He left the accident site and proceeded west on Rt. 112, where he spoke with ROrdway. Monahan did not fill out a statement about the Saturn crash because it was not required per Section 106-B 15 (of NH State Code? not sure precisely). He did not investigate anything.
While it is true that NHSP do have statewide jurisdiction per se, they do not get involved "in local police matters" unless requested or assigned to do so.
This info was provided by RobinsonOrdway in November 2007 on a now-defunct forum.

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FrmLE wrote:

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Everything about this post is incorrect and innacurate. Everything.

Beagle wrote:

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Actually, there might be two places Matoon intersects Triangle. According to Google maps (not always reliable), Matoon is kind of a horseshoe off Triangle. The eastern end is at the top of the hill if you are coming up from Bruno's on Main St. The other end of Matoon is closer to Charlies, The Pub, the Spoke, and Bertoluccis (sp?). There is also a kind of spur of Matoon going toward Gray St.
If your familiar with the area, you'll see what I mean.
I asked an Amherst police officer a few years ago whether Matoon ran past the side of ARHS (athletic fields) and came out across from the cemetery and he said no, they just used "High School Rd." as the unofficial designation for the one-way road that runs past the side of ARHS.
The best thing to do would be to obtain an accident report from Amherst PD or a report from Amherst Fire, which supplied the ambulance.
If you drive up the hill from Bruno's as soon as you crest the hill you also have to steer to the left. This often results in drifting onto the cross walk across the end of Matoon. In the dark, it would be an easy mistake to make.
Wonder if any pizza was ever picked up at Bruno's?

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Tom wrote:

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Well there is a little more history like:
Stealing credit card numbers atleast once, being throw out of college for it, driving while under the influence and crashing a couple of cars while at it. Vanishes without a trace, and mainly wihtout a trace because family doesn't want to be cooperative. Thats the history. Then she disappeared on Feb 9th.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>the history is that a young girl Maura Murray vanished without a trace on Feb. 9th 2004

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Beagle wrote:

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Actually, there might be two places Matoon intersects Triangle. According to Google maps (not always reliable), Matoon is kind of a horseshoe off Triangle. The eastern end is at the top of the hill if you are coming up from Bruno's on Main St. The other end of Matoon is closer to Charlies, The Pub, the Spoke, and Bertoluccis (sp?). There is also a kind of spur of Matoon going toward Gray St.
If your familiar with the area, you'll see what I mean.
I asked an Amherst police officer a few years ago whether Matoon ran past the side of ARHS (athletic fields) and came out across from the cemetery and he said no, they just used "High School Rd." as the unofficial designation for the one-way road that runs past the side of ARHS.
The best thing to do would be to obtain an accident report from Amherst PD or a report from Amherst Fire, which supplied the ambulance.
If you drive up the hill from Bruno's as soon as you crest the hill you also have to steer to the left. This often results in drifting onto the cross walk across the end of Matoon. In the dark, it would be an easy mistake to make.
Wonder if any pizza was ever picked up at Bruno's?

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>for one Snowy I dont know who firecat is. Iam not a spokes person for anyone just stating what I know.

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FrmLE wrote:

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"According to RobinsonOrdway (woman who reported on the red pickup truck), Lt. Monahan stopped and spoke to her briefly on the evening of 2-9-04 as he was coming away from the Saturn crash site on Rt. 112. Monahan was NHSP, and responded to the call in case the accident had occurred in his jurisdiction, which it did not. He left the accident site and proceeded west on Rt. 112, where he spoke with ROrdway. Monahan did not fill out a statement about the Saturn crash because it was not required per Section 106-B 15 (of NH State Code? not sure precisely). He did not investigate anything.
While it is true that NHSP do have statewide jurisdiction per se, they do not get involved "in local police matters" unless requested or assigned to do so."

Everything about this post is incorrect and innacurate. Everything.

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mcsmom wrote:

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IDK lots of things to ponder.....
I think Maura had an inkling something was up after the Carolla crash, which may have been the reason Billy thought something more than the crash was bothering her.
Perhaps there was a really good reason why she picked up the accident report in person....if she did.
The ATM, the liquor store...the computer searches...

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mcsmom wrote:

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Can you comment on what Monaghan saw that evening?
Can you comment on the forensic results from the search on May 8,2004?
Can you comment on the forensic results from items collected on or about June 22?
(Specifically the computer hard drive.)
Can you comment on the most recent forensic result from the hair and tape?

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Frostman wrote:

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Please feel free to clarify "FrmLE". Otherwise we'll just take what RO saw and subsequently reported as gospel.

Tom wrote:

Another factor to keep in mind is Maura's apparent brushes with the law. In the event she disappeared and started a new life, there is good chance that she could have been picked up again for a petty crime, and thus revealing her identity. Another point that leads to a less likely successful runaway theory.

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Simply caustic wrote:

The majority of the time, you guys write intelligent, thought-provoking posts that educate those of us reading...inform about the area....clarify certain aspects....I really enjoy checking out the posts during that time. I don't know who is friends with whom, which poster is a duck or a lion or an albatross....and I don't give a flying f*ck. I understand that there's a lot of history between you all long-time posters...but what mystifies me is the same person writing an eloquent opinion post one moment,..resorts to high-school-esque snotty comments a moment later.
I like WTF Bill, snowy, mason/Fred from back in the day...whitewash and whiston and Wowzer have all had posts that opened up different points of view. Beagle as well, and lookinforamoose and whatever happened to Paris? Citigirl and Hannah B also and jab Half those people may hate each other for Ll I know....or all I care. I wish the bullshit could be kept to a minimum, truly. I know there are antagonistic posts but can't ya shrug it off, or at least not dwell on it for pages? You guys have so much insight to offer,
And, respectfully, Tom, I like your posts here and at the blog....you are funny. But the antagonism needs to end and I wish you'd be a help in that direction, rather than a hinder.
Now, you all can write nasty replies or dismiss me as an out-of-towner who knows nothing.....but, I like discussing this case and I'd like to see a resolution. Isn't that enough to be present here? As for being far removed geographically...the posts on here have schooled me on animals, the woods, mountains, etc. I can't wait to one day head out East, not to visit an accident site or stalk down a neighbor...but to check out this beautiful area that you all have described for years. Hell, I've never seen a mountain, nor has much of a desire, before reading some of the outdoorsy
Posts, here.
I'm not trying to be bossy. I'm trying to maybe hallt the drama for a page or two....because I actually care bout what ya have to say.

Frostman wrote:

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Tom, If you watch the Disappeared episode about Michele Whitaker it might change your opinion. I would have completely agreed with you until I saw this...
The first of five segments is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Snowy wrote:

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sorry, free speech; public forum.
while you may be uncomfortable with the overview, statements made about the dynamics of this and other forums are important to understanding what has taken place in the public view since the date of her disappearance.
the history of the dynamics and interactions between forum participants is an integral part of those dynamics.
it has been dishonest for "lead" forum participants, claiming to have intimate knowledge about MM and her father, to withhold information from the public, all the while making concerted efforts to actively confuse by making statements of omission, and providing contrived responses and explanations to honest questions asked online.
i fault their poor PR decisions that have come back to bite them; hidden information would eventually be revealed, anyway. they have, at times, run interference with the official investigation by targeting their own POIs.
all in all, it has been insulting for the public to have been manipulated and hoodwinked in this manner.
no new information has been provided here in years; only James Renner is introducing new, factual information in recent months. his investigative research merits some attention.

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Maura's case is much more different on the way she vanished.

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Simply caustic wrote:

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Okay, I'll bite.
Of the litany of offenses you posted above, how many have been proven? How many are supposition? If Renners blog is not reliable, as some here say, then we can't use it simply to castigate Maura, and toss out any mitigating factors whatsoever that also may come up. Can't have it both ways.
Not saying I don't agree with th likelihood of the credit card fraud...I do. As to being thrown out of college for it, it's a safe bet she was ASKED TO LEAVE over it....not thrown out. No evidence of any DUI (although I'm confident she was drinking while driving on that fateful night, whether or not she was over the legal limit I can't venture a guess...regardless, open alcohol is an issue...) crashing cars....well, yes. She did.
To state that she "vanishes without a trace.....mainly because family doesn't want to be cooperative"....mmmmm, no dice IMO. That statement has no concrete basis in fact. I don't deny that their reluctance to share the perceived bad things from Maura's life, may have hindered the recovery of her body (I believe WTF Bill originally posted that theory)...but to assert that the family is the MAIN cause of her vanishing without a trace is...baseless, groundless.
I mean this sincerely.....for those so irritated about the things coming o about Maura....why are you still following the case so closely, if your input is going to liberally peppered with nasty remarks? Im not saying she is above reproach, and I understand the disappointment or insult perhaps accrued having given time, effort, and prayers to the all-American girl....only to find her, perhaps, highly flawed. In that case, if you really take such exception to it, instead of calling her a scumbag or poking fun at her tipping habits (not simply to you Tom I'm asking everyone)..then why post with such frequency? The majority of the posts lately have had a mean undercurrent to them, and it's unfortunate,
I realize Maura was highly flawed. We, the public, were misled as to her history.
I want to be here, anyway. I still care. I do think her addiction/issues were the catalyst to the theft. I don't think she was a scumbag, nor do I find her analogous as someone suggested...to a missing gangbanger.
If I did think that, I'd only check in periodically or not at all. Why waste my time making mean comments about a missing girl?! I fail to follow the logic.

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Simply caustic wrote:

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To state that she "vanishes without a trace.....mainly because family doesn't want to be cooperative"....mmmmm, no dice IMO. That statement has no concrete basis in fact. I don't deny that their reluctance to share the perceived bad things from Maura's life, may have hindered the recovery of her body (I believe WTF Bill originally posted that theory)...but to assert that the family is the MAIN cause of her vanishing without a trace is...baseless, groundless.

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Maybe not. Perhaps Maura was planning to leave her life and planned to ditch the car in the mountains and be ferried away by "Red Truck" or someone else but the car conked out at WB corner and the plans changed.
I truly hope she's out there somewhere living a fabulous life, oblivious to any of the speculation and rumors.