Maura Murray

Tom wrote:

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Fred Murray first thought that Muara ran away. He spoke to to the media and made a plea out to Maura to come home. Even when he saw the rag stuffed in the muffler he still thought she ran away. So if the father is thinking she ran away what should law enforcement be doing?
I think the FBI should get involved with some cases after they suspect foul play. I don't think we should waste the resource of the FBI on a family that is with holding information from the beginning, and not even sure if fould play was involved. Also how do you know the FBI didn't look at the case. You don't think someone up there might have said lets look at this and see if we can solve this and get our name in the paper? How do you know they weren't tailing Fred Murray around thinking he might be hiding the body or someone else. If they were following people around would they tell us. Does the FBI tell us all the cases they are involved in and what they know?
The FBI doesn't need nor should ever get involved in runaway cases. It isn't their job to find people who don't want to be home.

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aftermath wrote:

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Tom,
How about at least one abandoned car?...and when as in Maura's case, it was known or at least phoned in describing a female as the driver....and knowing that there have been a lot of missing (some found dead) females on both sides on the VT-NH border....maybe in at least ONE of these types of cases the situation could automatically and immediately have been turned over to the FBI. NOT ALL OF THEM....but at least ONE. Abandoned vehicle, approximately 130 miles from home, out-of-state license plates, young woman, 115 to 120 lbs, etc.....family insistent this individual is not a runaway, etc. This seems to be the profile of many missing and/or found remains cases. A lot of them not out-of-state but given the number of cases in-state, surely there would be enough cases to spare one situation to turn over immediately to the FBI? The entire case....right from the very beginning?

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aftermath wrote:

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Bill I don't think that happens that quickly. I don't think she crashed her car and to avoid a DUI killed herself. Suicide is usually a premeditated event not a spontaneous event.
Tom,
Kudos! LOL Finally, someone to address the issue of premeditation! Tom, many on this site seem almost hopeful that she opted to commit suicide. They appear to be pressing frantically for the suicide theory. Why? Who knows. It's as though they truly believe that a possible drunk driver "got away" and they're burning the sacred candles to emotionally destroy, lynch her. Sounds sick? Yes, it is sick. Unfortunately,a few posters on this forum actually appear to conceptualize suicide as some impromtu event,a spontaneous "sport" of sorts. MM's disappearance has nothing to do with alcohol and everything to do with a bad guy who is being protected as some kind of local hero? Possibly. Keeping the focus on the "alcohol" and off the bad guy certainly keeps him safe. Maybe some type of road signs are needed that clearly state, "Young Women Beware." A least try to warn them.

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Tom wrote:

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Why wouldn't we like each other?

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Tom wrote:

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Fred Murray first thought that Muara ran away. He spoke to to the media and made a plea out to Maura to come home. Even when he saw the rag stuffed in the muffler he still thought she ran away. So if the father is thinking she ran away what should law enforcement be doing?
I think the FBI should get involved with some cases after they suspect foul play. I don't think we should waste the resource of the FBI on a family that is with holding information from the beginning, and not even sure if fould play was involved. Also how do you know the FBI didn't look at the case. You don't think someone up there might have said lets look at this and see if we can solve this and get our name in the paper? How do you know they weren't tailing Fred Murray around thinking he might be hiding the body or someone else. If they were following people around would they tell us. Does the FBI tell us all the cases they are involved in and what they know?
The FBI doesn't need nor should ever get involved in runaway cases. It isn't their job to find people who don't want to be home.

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aftermath wrote:

Tom wrote:
Bill I don't think that happens that quickly. I don't think she crashed her car and to avoid a DUI killed herself. Suicide is usually a premeditated event not a spontaneous event.
Tom,
Kudos! LOL Finally, someone to address the issue of premeditation! Tom, many on this site seem almost hopeful that she opted to commit suicide. They appear to be pressing frantically for the suicide theory. Why? Who knows. It's as though they truly believe that a possible drunk driver "got away" and they're burning the sacred candles to emotionally destroy, lynch her. Sounds sick? Yes, it is sick. Unfortunately,a few posters on this forum actually appear to conceptualize suicide as some impromtu event,a spontaneous "sport" of sorts. MM's disappearance has nothing to do with alcohol and everything to do with a bad guy who is being protected as some kind of local hero? Possibly. Keeping the focus on the "alcohol" and off the bad guy certainly keeps him safe. Maybe some type of road signs are needed that clearly state, "Young Women Beware." A least try to warn them.

aftermath wrote:

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Tom,
How about at least one abandoned car?...and when as in Maura's case, it was known or at least phoned in describing a female as the driver....and knowing that there have been a lot of missing (some found dead) females on both sides on the VT-NH border....maybe in at least ONE of these types of cases the situation could automatically and immediately have been turned over to the FBI. NOT ALL OF THEM....but at least ONE. Abandoned vehicle, approximately 130 miles from home, out-of-state license plates, young woman, 115 to 120 lbs, etc.....family insistent this individual is not a runaway, etc. This seems to be the profile of many missing and/or found remains cases. A lot of them not out-of-state but given the number of cases in-state, surely there would be enough cases to spare one situation to turn over immediately to the FBI? The entire case....right from the very beginning?

aftermath wrote:

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Tom,
I do not know if this is true...that her father initially believed she had run off somewhere. His belief had been that his daughter had been abducted. Given the number of missing females on both sides of the NH-VT I would agree with him. The situation whereby several females are disappearing has been ongoing over a several-year period. I too do not think it a good idea or practical that the FBI be involved in every runaway case. I do however believe that when we have so many people who cross state lines who either disappear or their remains are found it might be a good idea for FBI involvement in at least ONE case from the beginning. Maura from MA, Pamela from ME, and there have been several other cases in both VT and NH. L. Chaput drove into NH from Canada and was murdered. These lists of names of the "missing" speak volumes. Possibly allowing the FBI to investigate one of these abandoned vehicle cases from the very beginning would provide insight, an overview in solving the overall mystery of many of these disappearances. Maybe it would not. However, what would be lost in trying?

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aftermath wrote:

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Tom,
I do not know if this is true...that her father initially believed she had run off somewhere. His belief had been that his daughter had been abducted. Given the number of missing females on both sides of the NH-VT I would agree with him. The situation whereby several females are disappearing has been ongoing over a several-year period. I too do not think it a good idea or practical that the FBI be involved in every runaway case. I do however believe that when we have so many people who cross state lines who either disappear or their remains are found it might be a good idea for FBI involvement in at least ONE case from the beginning. Maura from MA, Pamela from ME, and there have been several other cases in both VT and NH. L. Chaput drove into NH from Canada and was murdered. These lists of names of the "missing" speak volumes. Possibly allowing the FBI to investigate one of these abandoned vehicle cases from the very beginning would provide insight, an overview in solving the overall mystery of many of these disappearances. Maybe it would not. However, what would be lost in trying?

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Tom,
There are dynamics in all families, otherwise they would not be living families. FM is not responsible for all of the missing and murdered females in NH. This is only one reason (the numbers)why I believe he had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter's disappearance. Look at the list of missing people. There is a fairly large radius that encompasses the NH-VT border area where something or someone is causing many females, mostly young, to disappear.

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Snowy wrote:

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agree.
once again, each time the FBI is mentioned, a pat answer is spit out to shift blame back to the NHSP. fortunately, i don't believe everything i read, nor does repetition render statements correct and true.

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Tom wrote:

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Lets think about this in a different way. Again I don't want push any hot buttons but should the FBI move people off their anti Terror Crime Unit to look for a possible runaway?

aftermath wrote:

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Tom,
When we tally the numbers of young women who have disappeared or have been murdered in each state? Yes. If we consider how many lost their lives on 9-11 and compare with the number of missing young females country-wide, it makes perfect sense to use FBI resources on at least one "abandoned" vehicle case in NH. Especially a case where it has been determined the driver was a young female who within a 15-minute time period disappeared. Whether people are murdered in the inner city by a terrorist attack or murdered by some unknown, silent killer and bodies dropped off along side interstates or in the mountains, these are still cases involving loss of life. Let's say a terrorist decided to simply start murdering people, one-by-one, in the countryside. How long would it take before this situation were recognized or considered to be terrorism? The numbers are increasing in almost every state. Young women, child-bearing age, healthy, disappearing and many of them found murdered. Many nonsexual murders. Possibly it is terrorism and less obvious than other approaches used by terrorists. Lesser chance of retaliation simply because most of the missing and/or murdered are automatically considered runaways and not the victims of terrorists.

aftermath wrote:

Tom,
There are dynamics in all families, otherwise they would not be living families. FM is not responsible for all of the missing and murdered females in NH. This is only one reason (the numbers)why I believe he had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter's disappearance. Look at the list of missing people. There is a fairly large radius that encompasses the NH-VT border area where something or someone is causing many females, mostly young, to disappear.

aftermath wrote:

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Snowy,
Why do you believe blame is being shifted to the NHSP? In my opinion, the NHSP are doing everything under the sun to find those who are missing and those who have been murdered. Even LE members who retire continue to work these cases in attempting to determine what has happened to the missing. People continue to blame NHSP and if it were some other state I'm sure that there would be people who would blame LE in that particular state. If the FBI were to investigate one of these cases from the very beginning, this should shed no bad light on the NHSP. In my opinion, it would serve to do just the opposite.

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Tom wrote:

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There is a very strong possiblility that Maura fled the scene and died in the woods. There is a very small chance that someone drove by in the five minutes happened to be a murderer. Also please take note in Renner's blog Maura wasn't making the best decisions in the past couple of years of her life. The finger pointing should stay close to her "home" and not bring anyone else into her personal drama until some hard evidence shows up.

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Snowy wrote:

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this post is another example of rigid thinking stuffed into a echo chamber.
someone and/or something precipitated her flight from Amherst.
her relationship with her father is undeniable; she was not estranged from him. we may also agree that FM had contact with her in the days / weeks prior to her disappearance, and at least interacted with her by way of the crashed car.
any conclusions about his involvement in her disappearance are both relevant and remain to be proven.

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Snowy wrote:

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really? has it not been repeated here that NHSP denied access to the FBI in MM's case? correct me if i'm wrong....i suspect it's another rumor.

aftermath wrote:

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Tom,
When we tally the numbers of young women who have disappeared or have been murdered in each state? Yes. If we consider how many lost their lives on 9-11 and compare with the number of missing young females country-wide, it makes perfect sense to use FBI resources on at least one "abandoned" vehicle case in NH. Especially a case where it has been determined the driver was a young female who within a 15-minute time period disappeared. Whether people are murdered in the inner city by a terrorist attack or murdered by some unknown, silent killer and bodies dropped off along side interstates or in the mountains, these are still cases involving loss of life. Let's say a terrorist decided to simply start murdering people, one-by-one, in the countryside. How long would it take before this situation were recognized or considered to be terrorism? The numbers are increasing in almost every state. Young women, child-bearing age, healthy, disappearing and many of them found murdered. Many nonsexual murders. Possibly it is terrorism and less obvious than other approaches used by terrorists. Lesser chance of retaliation simply because most of the missing and/or murdered are automatically considered runaways and not the victims of terrorists.