Maura Murray

jwb wrote:

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freedom of speech

I just thought you were better than that

Tom wrote:

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I'm really pissed about this. If your name made the blog or anyone else's I would try to defend your names as best as possible

Take it from me, it does no good to be pissed off. It only adds fuel to the lynch mobs torches.

Just saying wowzer it not excactly first hand knowledge that I posted. It is written by Beagle.If he wants to be an open book online then that can have consequences. That is one of the reasons I will never join facebook etc..

I am not judging Beagle at all because I don't know for sure if it is the same person or not.I have not blamed him nor said it was him at any point. I have my opinion but have kept it to myself.

There is no excuse for the two videos whom ever posted them.

Tom wrote:

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I just thought you were better than that

A few weeks ago you wanted to send FM to the gas chamber at Auschwitz. Shall we drag up all of those nauseating posts again? Judgy-wudgy.

Wowzer, what were the results of the hair/cloth/duct tape investigation? Anything at all?

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Yes but to be decent you could have taken out his place of employment before posting it.
Would you like it if someone posted on a public forum where you work?

Honestly, If I had caught it I would have and I do regret that. The more you bring up the place of employment the more attention you are bringing to it

Frostman wrote:

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A few weeks ago you wanted to send FM to the gas chamber at Auschwitz. Shall we drag up all of those nauseating posts again? Judgy-wudgy.
Wowzer, what were the results of the hair/cloth/duct tape investigation? Anything at all?

Good point Frostman and they were Toms opinion of Fred W/o facts. I only pasted what was written by someone.

Tom wrote:

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I just thought you were better than that

Better than believing in the freedom of speech? What did I actually say that was so offensive? My words?

Frostman wrote:

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A few weeks ago you wanted to send FM to the gas chamber at Auschwitz. Shall we drag up all of those nauseating posts again? Judgy-wudgy.
Wowzer, what were the results of the hair/cloth/duct tape investigation? Anything at all?

Frostman - for the record. I did apologize for being very judgemental about Fred Murray about his involvement and have apologized about it. I will apologize again. I'm sorry for posting my opinion at the time about Fred Murray's involvement it was wrong of me.

I also didn't post Fred Murray's place of employement and his personal life story on a blog that has him as public enemy number one right now. That is what I have the problem about.

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Better than believing in the freedom of speech? What did I actually say that was so offensive? My words?

JWB I said I was disappointed in you for poiting out the post and sending it to Renner's blog, and putting it on this forum. Thats all. I didn't call you a name or anything like that beccause I honestly believe you didn't mean to harm beagle.

I honestly don't know why you threw out freedom of speech as a defense, but that is a seperate issue that would lead to a petty arguement so I just stated your better than that.

Frostman wrote:

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A few weeks ago you wanted to send FM to the gas chamber at Auschwitz. Shall we drag up all of those nauseating posts again? Judgy-wudgy.
Wowzer, what were the results of the hair/cloth/duct tape investigation? Anything at all?

I don't know about any results. Since there hasn't been any information about it in the papers or news and no one around here has heard anything about it I would say there's not much to tell about it IMHO.

jwb wrote:

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Honestly, If I had caught it I would have and I do regret that. The more you bring up the place of employment the more attention you are bringing to it

Wow! Your a real piece of work.

My opinion is that the historically controversial theory posted online by Mason( see JR post) stating that Maura was not a missing person, further supported by a "just happened to have one forum techie" with a talent for zeroing in on a single "post",(out of billions), that just happens to land smack dab with an undesputable connection to support said theory.

Bonus round! SOS

Voila! Mystery solved! Fait Accompli!

More than one flew over this cuckoo's nest.

The bigger question remains.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I don't know about any results. Since there hasn't been any information about it in the papers or news and no one around here has heard anything about it I would say there's not much to tell about it IMHO.

Thank you. The last time it came up you said you "might know something about that" so I thought there might have been a bit more to it.

When you consider it, even duct tape after 5 years would have pretty much wilted away.

Tom wrote:

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Yes it is and you are the one that took his heart warming post to put it on a blog where he is being crushed for something we don't even no he did. Not one of your better moves. If you think he really has such a big part in the case go take him to lunch and interview him. I'm disappointed in you. You get mad at people for name calling and being rude but you post his sad life story on the blog he is being destroyed on. Your better than that.

I thought the post actually humanized Beagle and didn't make him look like a cooke like some of his very own posts make him to be. Sorry you didn't catch that.

At the beginning of the post I commented that it made me take pause and maybe I should have explained better what I meant by it. It humanized Beagles struggles to better understand him. It was not a swing at the fences against Beagle at all.

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Completely agree, Snowy.
I posted a couple days ago about Renner "outing" citigirl by posting her real-life name. In this instance, although Renner didn't post Beagle's name, he DID include a photograph.
I'm of the opinion that before posting identifying information, one should be confident of the veracity off that information. I don't know about the Beagle thing, but I know that Renner clearly stated he obtained citigirl's information third-hand...and STILL posted it.
That doesn't lend itself to confidence, in my opinion. If anything, it lowered Renners credibility to me.
That being said, I don't know Beagle personally, and don't know what he looks like.

In reality, no one "outed" Citigirl as you say. Yes, Renner posted supposed information third-hand, and the info he took it from clearly said the poster had that information second-hand, which means it is totally not verified. That means it's a GUESS. We know from her posts that Citigirl is apparently a relative of Maura's, but we don't know her actual identity and Renner's third-hand from the other poster's second-hand doesn't an identity make. There is nothing in any way conclusive about Citigirl's identity from the info Renner put up, and besides that, we are not here to investigate Citigirl in the first place. JMHO.

The real question is -- who lured, abducted and murdered a beautiful, talented and well-educated 21-year-old UMass student named Maura Murray?

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The real question is -- who lured, abducted and murdered a beautiful, talented and well-educated 21-year-old UMass student named Maura Murray?

"lured, abducted and murdered" Really? So she was dumb enough to be lured, like a fish? But you said she was well educated??? And abduction, you have some proof, anything? Talented?? Did she play the trombone or something, never heard that. Murdered??? Oh No!!! You know something none of the others of us know? Some snippet of evidence that you would like to share?

Can't you just feel the breeze? Love the circles that this keeps going in.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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"lured, abducted and murdered" Really? So she was dumb enough to be lured, like a fish? But you said she was well educated??? And abduction, you have some proof, anything? Talented?? Did she play the trombone or something, never heard that. Murdered??? Oh No!!! You know something none of the others of us know? Some snippet of evidence that you would like to share?
Can't you just feel the breeze? Love the circles that this keeps going in.
Bill

Just won $20 that you'd show up after our last post!

WTH-the-original wrote:

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"lured, abducted and murdered" Really? So she was dumb enough to be lured, like a fish? But you said she was well educated??? And abduction, you have some proof, anything? Talented?? Did she play the trombone or something, never heard that. Murdered??? Oh No!!! You know something none of the others of us know? Some snippet of evidence that you would like to share?
Can't you just feel the breeze? Love the circles that this keeps going in.
Bill

Jesus, chill out man. This entire story had been interesting and engaging to read about until the last week or so when you decided to continuously throw everyone under the bus and rave about "common sense", "stupidity", the like there of.

Quite frankly, it gets old. Sorry to say, you're not any better than anybody else. Get over yourself.

So people bring up the same questions... Who f**king cares? Let them. Is it really that big of a deal?

Advocate wrote:

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In reality, no one "outed" Citigirl as you say. Yes, Renner posted supposed information third-hand, and the info he took it from clearly said the poster had that information second-hand, which means it is totally not verified. That means it's a GUESS. We know from her posts that Citigirl is apparently a relative of Maura's, but we don't know her actual identity and Renner's third-hand from the other poster's second-hand doesn't an identity make. There is nothing in any way conclusive about Citigirl's identity from the info Renner put up, and besides that, we are not here to investigate Citigirl in the first place. JMHO.

I agree that posting peoples' identities is in poor taste and uncalled for. Especially unsubstantiated third-party info. Lacks journalistic integrity and common decency.

The "Beagle" accusations are even worse IMHO. Pass the vids on to authorities if there are concerns, but risking contributing to an attack against a possibly innocent man is never cool in my book.

I am grateful that Renner has come at this thing with fresh eyes and that he engaged in his fact-finding mission via FOIA requests etc, but some of his posts are disappointing from an ethical standpoint.

Hoping something new will come along soon so we can all move along. All of this must be heartbreaking for Maura's family. Regardless of what they might have chosen to keep secret and why, it's gotta be agonizing to go 8 years without knowing what happened to your family member.