Maura Murray

600 FT. from Old Peter's Rd. to Bradley Hill Rd. approx 120 FT. from OPR to Ribbon Tree. 480 FT. from Ribbon tree to BHR. Maura's saturn was found heading Westbound in the Eastbound lane parallel to the snowbank. The actual location of the saturn was in front of the Marrotte's house in front of their stand of 7 small balsam trees approx. 8 ft. tall.

This puts the Saturn about 210 FT. down the rd. to the East. WHY did LE show the Murray family the BIG pine trees instead of the real location of where the saturn came to a rest.

This would also change The Westman's view of the scene as well as The Marrotte's.

How many Haverhill cops were on duty that night. Four (4) How many cruiser do they have. Who was in which cruiser. Did the Chief has His SUV #001. Did He take His cruiser home all the time to His House on Bradley Hill rd. Was Byron Charles in the area that night, maybe home at His house on BHR.

WHY are there so many discrepancies in the info that has been supplied by LE, witness accounts and subsequent interviews that have revealed more unanswered questions.?

John

Det Columbo wrote:

600 FT. from Old Peter's Rd. to Bradley Hill Rd. approx 120 FT. from OPR to Ribbon Tree. 480 FT. from Ribbon tree to BHR. Maura's saturn was found heading Westbound in the Eastbound lane parallel to the snowbank. The actual location of the saturn was in front of the Marrotte's house in front of their stand of 7 small balsam trees approx. 8 ft. tall.
This puts the Saturn about 210 FT. down the rd. to the East. WHY did LE show the Murray family the BIG pine trees instead of the real location of where the saturn came to a rest.
This would also change The Westman's view of the scene as well as The Marrotte's.
How many Haverhill cops were on duty that night. Four (4) How many cruiser do they have. Who was in which cruiser. Did the Chief has His SUV #001. Did He take His cruiser home all the time to His House on Bradley Hill rd. Was Byron Charles in the area that night, maybe home at His house on BHR.
WHY are there so many discrepancies in the info that has been supplied by LE, witness accounts and subsequent interviews that have revealed more unanswered questions.?
John

The Saturn DID NOT HIT THE TREE OR TREES. Didn't happen.

John

Det Columbo wrote:

This puts the Saturn about 210 FT. down the rd. to the East. WHY did LE show the Murray family the BIG pine trees instead of the real location of where the saturn came to a rest.

John

So, the location is wrong? That makes a whole new ballgame.. 210 is a lil over 60 yards.. The ribbon is in the wrong place? How did the car move?

Det Columbo wrote:

600 FT. from Old Peter's Rd. to Bradley Hill Rd. approx 120 FT. from OPR to Ribbon Tree. 480 FT. from Ribbon tree to BHR. Maura's saturn was found heading Westbound in the Eastbound lane parallel to the snowbank. The actual location of the saturn was in front of the Marrotte's house in front of their stand of 7 small balsam trees approx. 8 ft. tall.
This puts the Saturn about 210 FT. down the rd. to the East. WHY did LE show the Murray family the BIG pine trees instead of the real location of where the saturn came to a rest.
This would also change The Westman's view of the scene as well as The Marrotte's.
How many Haverhill cops were on duty that night. Four (4) How many cruiser do they have. Who was in which cruiser. Did the Chief has His SUV #001. Did He take His cruiser home all the time to His House on Bradley Hill rd. Was Byron Charles in the area that night, maybe home at His house on BHR.
WHY are there so many discrepancies in the info that has been supplied by LE, witness accounts and subsequent interviews that have revealed more unanswered questions.?
John

Can you back up or provide links to any of this information?
Would love to see a link that says there were 4 officers on duty and that those two officers lived on BHR.
I thought that the ribbon was placed on that tree because the tree was larger and more people would see the poster with Maura's picture coming around the corner. Are you saying this isn't true?
The police report clearly shows the accident happened by that stand of trees so I would imagine it would be hard to lie and say it happened down the road.
Waiting for some links to your information. Thanks.
PS. Just wondering why you throw this BS out into the forum. Are you purposely trying to confuse people and lead this in another direction?

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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The police report clearly shows the accident happened by that stand of trees so I would imagine it would be hard to lie and say it happened down the road.

Are you purposely trying to confuse people and lead this in another direction?

I am very confused.. I wish I knew more, I dont even know what a BHR is?:(

Det Columbo wrote:

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The Saturn DID NOT HIT THE TREE OR TREES. Didn't happen.
John

Then why were the trees damaged?

Det Columbo wrote:

600 FT. from Old Peter's Rd. to Bradley Hill Rd. approx 120 FT. from OPR to Ribbon Tree. 480 FT. from Ribbon tree to BHR. Maura's saturn was found heading Westbound in the Eastbound lane parallel to the snowbank. The actual location of the saturn was in front of the Marrotte's house in front of their stand of 7 small balsam trees approx. 8 ft. tall.
This puts the Saturn about 210 FT. down the rd. to the East. WHY did LE show the Murray family the BIG pine trees instead of the real location of where the saturn came to a rest.
This would also change The Westman's view of the scene as well as The Marrotte's.
How many Haverhill cops were on duty that night. Four (4) How many cruiser do they have. Who was in which cruiser. Did the Chief has His SUV #001. Did He take His cruiser home all the time to His House on Bradley Hill rd. Was Byron Charles in the area that night, maybe home at His house on BHR.
WHY are there so many discrepancies in the info that has been supplied by LE, witness accounts and subsequent interviews that have revealed more unanswered questions.?
John

John,
If this is indeed correct, the police report sketch must be incorrect, showing as it does the Saturn striking a stand of trees on Rte 112 just after the Old Peters Rd intersection.
I´ve read before that the "blue ribbon tree" is not an indication of the actual place where the Saturn came to a rest, but have never seen any kind of confirmation of this being so.
It seems somewhat surprising how Maura´s car could have spun around as it supposedly did so relatively far from the immediate vicinity of the WB curve.

Emmett Dove wrote:

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I am very confused.. I wish I knew more, I dont even know what a BHR is?:(

Emmett,
BHR is short for Bradley Hill Road.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Emmett,
BHR is short for Bradley Hill Road.

Ohh Ok.. Thank You.. I've seen it posted many times.. Didnt know what it stood for..

It is 600 FT. from OPR to BHR and that is approx. 45 car lengths' If You look at the accident report it clearly shows the car positioned closer to OPR and the WB.

The place the car was actually found was much further down the road and in front of the (7) Seven SMALL balsam trees.

Family was directed by LE to the spot where the ribbon is on the tree. I have been with searchers at this site and it was stated that this is where We should be looking for any signs or misc. car parts. Although the only part that would have been found is flange grommets which hold the plastic valance/spoiler to the car. Other than that there was not enough damage to cause any parts to dislodge.

The damage to the Lg. pine trees can be explained...The wing plows of DOT trucks hit these trees all the time. I have noticed the damage to the trees at the WB curve as well as many other locations in the North Country.

Go look at those trees right now and You will see the marks. It happens all the time.

IF anything the LE accident report is very deceiving as far as the sketch goes. If the saturn hit the tree in front of Marrottes then the sketch would show the 7 trees. IT DOES NOT. Is it because Smith filled out the acc. report 6 days later?

There IS DAMAGE to one of the seven small trees on the front lawn of the Marrotte's. It is the 4th tree in from the Marrotte's driveway.

John

Det Columbo wrote:

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The Saturn DID NOT HIT THE TREE OR TREES. Didn't happen.
John

Lots of changes here lately, I can't even find the last page I read it's so far back.

The one thing that may be helpful to all the new contributors on this forum to know is that there are some members here who would like you to believe they have some info that others don't have.

DON'T BUY IT. The guy who calls himself Det Columbo would like you to believe he is a former cop and current private investigator. That would lead some to believe what he says has some weight, that perhaps he knows something the rest of you don't.

The problem is, he is not a former cop, he is not a private investigator, he has no inside information despite his demeanor where he makes statements as fact. I know this for an absolute FACT, I know who he is. He is nothing more than a normal citizen with opinions like everyone else. He would like you to believe he is more than he is.

Det Columbo is a liar, a poser, he was not a cop, if you choose to believe what he says do so with caution. Just a friendly piece of advice.

Buyer beware.

hannah_b wrote:

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Then why were the trees damaged?

one of them snow plows you all use up there? There snow pushed to the sides..

FrmLE wrote:

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The one thing that may be helpful to all the new contributors on this forum to know is that there are some members here who would like you to believe they have some info that others don't have.

Thank you for this.. It`s kind of simple to figure most of it out.. I don't point it out because I don't like being "attacked" & am apt to saying mean things in return..

FrmLE wrote:

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Lots of changes here lately, I can't even find the last page I read it's so far back.
The one thing that may be helpful to all the new contributors on this forum to know is that there are some members here who would like you to believe they have some info that others don't have.
DON'T BUY IT. The guy who calls himself Det Columbo would like you to believe he is a former cop and current private investigator. That would lead some to believe what he says has some weight, that perhaps he knows something the rest of you don't.
The problem is, he is not a former cop, he is not a private investigator, he has no inside information despite his demeanor where he makes statements as fact. I know this for an absolute FACT, I know who he is. He is nothing more than a normal citizen with opinions like everyone else. He would like you to believe he is more than he is.
Det Columbo is a liar, a poser, he was not a cop, if you choose to believe what he says do so with caution. Just a friendly piece of advice.
Buyer beware.

You don't know Sh**.

Haven't seen You in a little while FrmLE but then of course nobody has mentioned anything about LE.

Now here We are within minutes of Me posting with statements about LE and You show up

What is it about this that makes You so adamant about making people NOT WANT TO BELIEVE what I am saying.

Maybe I will refer to You as #001 from now on.

Somethings stinky here on Topix and I think they should add more items to the Judge factor. Maybe some cheese, a skunk, a fish.

John

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Can you back up or provide links to any of this information?
Would love to see a link that says there were 4 officers on duty and that those two officers lived on BHR.
I thought that the ribbon was placed on that tree because the tree was larger and more people would see the poster with Maura's picture coming around the corner. Are you saying this isn't true?
The police report clearly shows the accident happened by that stand of trees so I would imagine it would be hard to lie and say it happened down the road.
Waiting for some links to your information. Thanks.
PS. Just wondering why you throw this BS out into the forum. Are you purposely trying to confuse people and lead this in another direction?

Columbo can you please answer my questions?

Emmett Dove wrote:

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one of them snow plows you all use up there? There snow pushed to the sides..

I´ve actually never seen trees damaged by a snow plow. But ok, a plausible explanation.

Det Columbo wrote:

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You don't know Sh**.
Haven't seen You in a little while FrmLE but then of course nobody has mentioned anything about LE.
Now here We are within minutes of Me posting with statements about LE and You show up
What is it about this that makes You so adamant about making people NOT WANT TO BELIEVE what I am saying.
Maybe I will refer to You as #001 from now on.
Somethings stinky here on Topix and I think they should add more items to the Judge factor. Maybe some cheese, a skunk, a fish.
John

You didn't ask but I'll tell you anyway why I replied. It's quite simple.
You're not telling the truth and you and I both know it. The question is why.
The one true statement you've said so far is there's something stinky here on Topix. I totally agree.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Columbo can you please answer my questions?

Police logs, property reports, interviews.

John

hannah_b wrote:

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I´ve actually never seen trees damaged by a snow plow. But ok, a plausible explanation.

There are marks on the trees from last year still. But because of low snow totals this year there are no new marks.

I have been by the accident scene twice this year on My way to DHMC (Hospital). Stopped at the scene both times, can't count the number of times I have been there.

John

Det Columbo wrote:

It is 600 FT. from OPR to BHR and that is approx. 45 car lengths' If You look at the accident report it clearly shows the car positioned closer to OPR and the WB.
The place the car was actually found was much further down the road and in front of the (7) Seven SMALL balsam trees.
Family was directed by LE to the spot where the ribbon is on the tree. I have been with searchers at this site and it was stated that this is where We should be looking for any signs or misc. car parts. Although the only part that would have been found is flange grommets which hold the plastic valance/spoiler to the car. Other than that there was not enough damage to cause any parts to dislodge.
The damage to the Lg. pine trees can be explained...The wing plows of DOT trucks hit these trees all the time. I have noticed the damage to the trees at the WB curve as well as many other locations in the North Country.
Go look at those trees right now and You will see the marks. It happens all the time.
IF anything the LE accident report is very deceiving as far as the sketch goes. If the saturn hit the tree in front of Marrottes then the sketch would show the 7 trees. IT DOES NOT. Is it because Smith filled out the acc. report 6 days later?
There IS DAMAGE to one of the seven small trees on the front lawn of the Marrotte's. It is the 4th tree in from the Marrotte's driveway.
John

***There IS DAMAGE to one of the seven small trees on the front lawn of the Marrotte's. It is the 4th tree in from the Marrotte's driveway.***

How do you explain that since those trees aren't close enough to the road to be hit with a plow?
For some time you argued with me and said there was no damage to those smaller trees when I said there was. Now all of a sudden there IS damage. Hmmm