Maura Murray

It's not only swelling, there's a big black mark on her left side of her nose, looks like it was probably much worse but was healing up by the time this pic was taken.
Also makes me wonder about the makeup that was found in her car, her family stated several times that Maura never wore makeup so why did she need makeup?

Advocate wrote:

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Why should anyone know what brand of backpack she had? She wasn't a 3rd-grader ... her folks did not have to buy her college things for her, and probably didn't pay any attention to what her backpack was except noticing the color. This would be true of just about everyone she knew, IMHO.

I would think someone would know what brand her backpack is, I gues it's very possible no one ever paid attention but not one of her friends of family know that?
Ask me what brand backpack my gf uses for college and I'll know in a second.
They knew it was big and had a compartment for a laptop, but didn't know the brand?
Seems odd.
On top of that, I thought they did know the brand. I thought it was conning knowledge on the mm forum and the mmm forum that it was a jansport, but I could be remembering wrong. I don't think I am but I obviously could b wrong

WTH-the-original wrote:

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That is a very low quality dithered picture. There is no way you can call that a black eye.
Bill

I agree. Look at this picture of her. It's clear there's a shadow in the same area, probably because of the way her face is shaped. JMO

http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uplo...

Brilliant Brian wrote:

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"Should" might not be the right word, but it is surely not inconceivable that someone in the family might know. Maybe they did buy her one. Since she is a regular backpacker, maybe they bought her a really nice one and not just a standard college backpack. Maybe she didn't have a lot of money to buy one so they bought her one. I simply want to know if anyone knows the brand or could find out. I'm not surprised if no one knows for sure, but it would help me if so.

It seems possible there is no description of the backpack as it could one day be found and LE would not want that information out there. Doesn't that seem sensible?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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That is a very low quality dithered picture. There is no way you can call that a black eye.
Bill

I agree that you can definitively say it's a black eye, & I don't think I said it def was.
But it sure as hell looks like it is.

What's your explanation for that huge black mark on the left side of her nose?
Look at the right side of her face, looks like the bruising is over there too.
It looks like she nearly broke her nose, broken nose give u bruising under your eyes generally.
Look at the shape of the black spot, it even has a classic bruising pattern.
What else could it be besides bruising? Seriously, what else?
I know the pic is grainy but that almostakes it worse. That it came through in such a shitty picture and the subsequent copying of said photo means something was there.
I find it interesting that this pic was taken at 2:30 am when she was alone in her room, obviously not expecting to see anyone she knew.

I'm NOT saying she definitely had a black eye but I'd put $ down that she did.

What else Could that mark be?

And hey bill, thanks for your much improved demeanor on these forums in the last week. So much better to have smart responses that make people look stupid then to just call them stupid, it has a much stronger effect.

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>BB, I was not clear using inadvertently that sentence. I was making reference to when I first learned that the person was still missing from that night and joined the MM sight and then inadvertantly mentioned the 7 chatter from that night. I was taken aback that it created a stir since I figured hundreds had heard it and it was a fact! Is that clearer?

i'm sorry to say this statement makes no sense to me.

Anne-wouldn't LE WANT the brand of
Backpack released so if someone finds it they'll turn it in?
Generally, from what I can tell, in missing person cases they try to release any and all info about what someone was wearing/carrying when they went missing, including the brand and anything distinctive about it.

I guess this, as with a lot of other things, this case is not like most dissapearances.

Jenkins wrote:

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What's your explanation for that huge black mark on the left side of her nose?
Look at the right side of her face, looks like the bruising is over there too.
It looks like she nearly broke her nose, broken nose give u bruising under your eyes generally.

You need to understand how dithering works. I can't explain it in a couple of sentences. Dithers are a way to reproduce a gray scale with only black and white. Mathematically I could write the formulas but that wouldn't likely help either. Just look at how big the areas are in relation to the overall picture. And remember you only have one choice, black or white. If the number of levels you have are small, or the threshold is screwed up, you can get odd artifacts.

But it is such a small photo and the dithers are relatively large. I personally can not say that she has a black eye any more than I can tell you her eye color from those photos.

Bill

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>It seems possible there is no description of the backpack as it could one day be found and LE would not want that information out there. Doesn't that seem sensible?

I've seen LE's description of it, but perhaps they haven't said the name brand.

New Hampshire Union Leader (Manchester, NH)

February 12,2004
Edition: State
Section: Local
Page: b1

IN BRIEF

Article Text:

Search under way

for missing woman

HAVERHILL- A search is under way for a Massachusetts woman who has not been seen since a car accident Monday night in a remote area of Woodsville.

Haverhill Police Chief Jeff Williams said foul play is not suspected, but there is concern about the whereabouts of Maura Murray, 21, of Hanson, Mass. She is described as "possibly suicidal."

Just before 7p.m. Monday, Haverhill police responded to a report of a single-car accident on the sparsely populated Wild Ammonoosuc Road, where Route 112 follows the Wild Ammonoosuc River.

Jenkins wrote:

And hey bill, thanks for your much improved demeanor on these forums in the last week. So much better to have smart responses that make people look stupid then to just call them stupid, it has a much stronger effect.

You have only seen very few of my contributions out of all the ones I have made over the many years. I still retain the right to call'em as I see'em. There are some people at times that can write things so stupid that I cannot expect that the "answer", when given, would be understood. And very ofter, it is a case where the "answer" has been given repeatedly and it is refused to be believed. During those times, it is simpler, and uses less energy to just tell them that their idea is too stupid to be commented on.

Bill

Det Columbo wrote:

Chief Williams told me that the first official on the scene was Sergeant Cecil Smith at about 7:30 that evening of February 9th. When Sergeant smith pulled up to the scene, Ms. Murray was gone, but had been observed about three minutes earlier by witnesses at or near the scene. North Country News 2/27/04
John

posted by White Wash....
Who is lying this above Witness or the Police of Chief? Since Smith
blew by him in Dark Hollow aka Rangers Station on RT 10. Call me stupid but I think he NOTED the time what do you all think?
I personally think he isn't that stupid to know
I could and would time that to Smith's arrival.
White Wash around Oct. 1 2008

Just throwing out some ideas here, but the witness at the Barton, VT, church who observed a young lady looking very much like Maura on Fathers´ Day in, IIRC, 2005, emphasized that the Maura look-alike ("Raykel") had a heavy make-up/foundation applied to her face, despite being so young.
Could it be that Maura at the time was living somewhere in the Northeast Kingdom of VT with an abusive boyfriend, possibly the same one who might have caused that possible black eye back in 2003, and therefore had to apply a lot of make-up before venturing out?
I´m aware that LE has apparently debunked the Barton sighting - although I have never seen it being officially debunked - but the Barton church witness apparently was adamant at the time that he had met and briefly spoken with Maura.

The GCSD logs for Haverhill, Lisbon, Littleton that night are interesting.

At 7:17 Littleton has a suicide call

At 7:03(7:27) Haverhill gets report of accident.

At 9:20 Haverhill gets call for suicide at powerlines.

Looks like they were just putting Maura into the "Suicide Group" that night. They certainly played that ACE IN THE HOLE very quickly.

Maybe it was a full moon that night.

John

Jenkins wrote:

Anne-wouldn't LE WANT the brand of
Backpack released so if someone finds it they'll turn it in?
Generally, from what I can tell, in missing person cases they try to release any and all info about what someone was wearing/carrying when they went missing, including the brand and anything distinctive about it.
I guess this, as with a lot of other things, this case is not like most dissapearances.

If she died in the elements after the accident and has not been found, there would be little left of evidence except the backpack, cellphone, etc.. That's what I was thinking.

Frostman wrote:

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http://www.mauramurraymissing.com/VTSPNHSPPre...

THANK YOU!

mcsmom wrote:

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posted by White Wash....
Who is lying this above Witness or the Police of Chief? Since Smith
blew by him in Dark Hollow aka Rangers Station on RT 10. Call me stupid but I think he NOTED the time what do you all think?
I personally think he isn't that stupid to know
I could and would time that to Smith's arrival.
White Wash around Oct. 1 2008

So Williams WAS on Duty that night at approx. 7 PM.?

I think this makes the (4) Four cops I was talking about being on duty that night.

I almost have MY FULL HOUSE.!

John

WTH-the-original wrote:

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You have only seen very few of my contributions out of all the ones I have made over the many years. I still retain the right to call'em as I see'em. There are some people at times that can write things so stupid that I cannot expect that the "answer", when given, would be understood. And very ofter, it is a case where the "answer" has been given repeatedly and it is refused to be believed. During those times, it is simpler, and uses less energy to just tell them that their idea is too stupid to be commented on.
Bill

I can see that but why do u think I've seen very few of your comments over the years?
I've been here the whole time, I was a member of the orig mm site even before it became mmm.
I recently just started posting again after about a 2 yr absence from posting, but ive been reqdin the whole time.
So I've seen hundreds and hundreds of posts from you for years now.
I've been using the same moniker since the beginning, every time I've ever posted, FYI.

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>It seems possible there is no description of the backpack as it could one day be found and LE would not want that information out there. Doesn't that seem sensible?

No, it doesn´t. If someone had found a maybe torn and dirty backpack somewhere, they would be very unlikely to contact LE, not knowing it might be connected to a missing persons case.