Maura Murray

Snowy wrote:

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turds by any name are still turds.
oooohhhhh, the drama.
Anne is in her glory.
so many attention seekers.

Sorry Snowy, I've completely forgotten to give you the attention you NEED and DESIRE! My bad.

That's a very good point consider this but have you seen the ID show?
Scarinza is clearly frustrated when talking about fred's insistence that her prior life has nothing to do with her disappearance.
The family clearly has withheld vital info pertaining to the investigation. I'm not necessarily saying that they had a sinister intention of doing this but they clearly did.

All I'm saying is looking back it would seem that they were very insistent on maintaining her image as an all American girl. I don't wanna say this was more important to them then finding her but you would think if your loved one is missing you wouldn't care, you would just want her back.
Talking about her life in Amherst most likely would've been the thing that broke this case but I would venture to say that about 95% of the students at UMass back then had absolutely no clue that a classmate was missing.
I could tell you for a fact that right now in Amherst/noho at least 99% of people have never heard of Maura or have any idea that a UMass student ever went missing.
I'm in western mass all the time and anyone I've ever mentioned this to looked at me like I had 3 heads or something.
In fact some of them barely even believed me when I said it saying "I would've heard about that if someone went missing from UMass"

the family didn't want any info about her life in UMass released or even talked about & now it's been so long that sadly we probably will never have am answer.

I truly believe someone got away with murder and most likely it was someOne Maura knew well

I bought snowey some gifts from Mexico but now I am going to give them to Anne.

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry Snowy, I've completely forgotten to give you the attention you NEED and DESIRE! My bad.

what we all need, and what i desire, is to hear the truth for once.

Jenkins wrote:

That's a very good point consider this but have you seen the ID show?
Scarinza is clearly frustrated when talking about fred's insistence that her prior life has nothing to do with her disappearance.
The family clearly has withheld vital info pertaining to the investigation. I'm not necessarily saying that they had a sinister intention of doing this but they clearly did.
All I'm saying is looking back it would seem that they were very insistent on maintaining her image as an all American girl. I don't wanna say this was more important to them then finding her but you would think if your loved one is missing you wouldn't care, you would just want her back.
Talking about her life in Amherst most likely would've been the thing that broke this case but I would venture to say that about 95% of the students at UMass back then had absolutely no clue that a classmate was missing.
I could tell you for a fact that right now in Amherst/noho at least 99% of people have never heard of Maura or have any idea that a UMass student ever went missing.

I don't think that we know whether the family withheld vital information. As to UMass, I was there in May of 04. There were signs all over campus...on every door going into the arena, Dunkin Donuts....Families tend to know what their kids want them to know when they are in college. As to the American Girl image, does every thing Maura did before her lapse or lapses in judgement go away. Believe I've read that she had been on the Dean's list the prior semester. She was a runner with records at UMass, WP and in high school. If all the cops were talking about was the fact that she appeared intoxicated, wouldn't you want the world to know that there was another side?

jwb wrote:

I bought snowey some gifts from Mexico but now I am going to give them to Anne.

well, i'm fussy. i like a certain grade of silver in my jewelry. nice thought, though.:)

Jenkins wrote:

Anne- that is true but this aren't the pics I was talking about.
I'm talking about the original pics releases to the media and the pic that was used on her flier, which was about 2 as it was from when she was at west point

The photo on her flyer was from December 2003.

Anne I don't get it, now you've been threatened by someone associated with the FBI?!? Really??
Or did he just come to your house wearing his gun?
I don't get it, why would they threaten you? Because you heard the scanner call that's been covered up by the Haverhill pd? Even if that's what happened why would somebody associates with the FBI give a shit? Wouldn't it be a local who would threaten you?

What do u mean this case has wider implications? Are you really saying that this is like a nation-wide coverup?

Did that really happen?
How did this guy even know where you live? Do u have your adress associated with tour topix account? Why would you do that?
You say he has "spy equipment"..did he hack topix to get your info?
I know you've said what road u live on at some point over the years but theoretically that's not even enuf to know which house is your or who u are exactly.

Why would anyone in any other part of the country except mass and Nh care at all abou what your saying about the case?
Is it that your info about the scanner is soo important and soo accurate that your scaring even the FBI?
Are you suggesting that there's a coverup that goes all the way up to the federal gov't?

I'm not trying to badmouth u or jump down your throat here but what is up with those posts you just made?
Why would some guy who trains the FBI, who supposedly lives in Ct but jas Nevada plates give 2 shits about what your posting on some message board that maybe a few hundred people read(if that) and maybe a few thousand people have EVER read over the years.

I mean come on, it's not like these forums effect the real workd or anything. I don't know ANYONE who's EVER read any of this crap.

Why did u feel the need to check where your
Bullets were? Someone in LE showed ip with a gun on his hip? Isn't that where LE always wires their guns? Did you load your gun? You mist not have felt that threatened if you didn't load your gun right? I mean, what's knowing where your bullets r gonna do for you if someone breaks out there gun? What r u gonna do say hold on I gotta go load my gun?

mcsmom wrote:

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Anne...I recall to this day your very first MMM post regarding the scanner call....you posted 'was taken in private vehicle" subsequent posts were "left in private vehicle"..
Any reason for the change in wording?

I recall reading that the person left in a private vehicle.

Snowy wrote:

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well, i'm fussy. i like a certain grade of silver in my jewelry. nice thought, though.:)

How did you know I bought Anne a silver necklace?

Consider this- all very good points and I agree for the most part. Very true about the family only knowing what she wanted them to know. Many of the college girls I've known their parents would be absolutely shocked if they knew everything about their lives.
I admit that it's very possible that the family barely knew anything about what was really going on in her life st that point and there's a very good possibility that's why they thought it wasn't important.

Only problem is scarinza clearly states that the family didn't want LE to know what was going on, they just wanted them to find her.

He clearly states if we knew why she left maybe we could get a better idea of where she went.

He was the lead investigator and he was clearly frustrated with the lack of info about her prior life, which very well might've solved the case

Jenkins wrote:

Anne I don't get it, now you've been threatened by someone associated with the FBI?!? Really??
Or did he just come to your house wearing his gun?
I don't get it, why would they threaten you? Because you heard the scanner call that's been covered up by the Haverhill pd? Even if that's what happened why would somebody associates with the FBI give a shit? Wouldn't it be a local who would threaten you?
What do u mean this case has wider implications? Are you really saying that this is like a nation-wide coverup?
Did that really happen?
How did this guy even know where you live? Do u have your adress associated with tour topix account? Why would you do that?
You say he has "spy equipment"..did he hack topix to get your info?
I know you've said what road u live on at some point over the years but theoretically that's not even enuf to know which house is your or who u are exactly.
Why would anyone in any other part of the country except mass and Nh care at all abou what your saying about the case?
Is it that your info about the scanner is soo important and soo accurate that your scaring even the FBI?
Are you suggesting that there's a coverup that goes all the way up to the federal gov't?
I'm not trying to badmouth u or jump down your throat here but what is up with those posts you just made?
Why would some guy who trains the FBI, who supposedly lives in Ct but jas Nevada plates give 2 shits about what your posting on some message board that maybe a few hundred people read(if that) and maybe a few thousand people have EVER read over the years.
I mean come on, it's not like these forums effect the real workd or anything. I don't know ANYONE who's EVER read any of this crap.
Why did u feel the need to check where your
Bullets were? Someone in LE showed ip with a gun on his hip? Isn't that where LE always wires their guns? Did you load your gun? You mist not have felt that threatened if you didn't load your gun right? I mean, what's knowing where your bullets r gonna do for you if someone breaks out there gun? What r u gonna do say hold on I gotta go load my gun?

you're not reading....i told you she's told this story before.
maybe it's true, and maybe it's not....but it smells to me of drama.
you sound incredulous with each question you asked.
let me make short work of it...
in a word....drama.

jwb wrote:

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How did you know I bought Anne a silver necklace?

all this attention and a silver necklace, too?!
waaaaaaa...well, i'm just going to go off and cry now.
nitey nite.

Snowy wrote:

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all this attention and a silver necklace, too?!
waaaaaaa...well, i'm just going to go off and cry now.
nitey nite.

Oh it worked!!! Goodie Goodie for us

BRAVO...!!!!

shes melting

Jenkins wrote:

Consider this- all very good points and I agree for the most part. Very true about the family only knowing what she wanted them to know. Many of the college girls I've known their parents would be absolutely shocked if they knew everything about their lives.
I admit that it's very possible that the family barely knew anything about what was really going on in her life st that point and there's a very good possibility that's why they thought it wasn't important.
Only problem is scarinza clearly states that the family didn't want LE to know what was going on, they just wanted them to find her.
He clearly states if we knew why she left maybe we could get a better idea of where she went.
He was the lead investigator and he was clearly frustrated with the lack of info about her prior life, which very well might've solved the case

Could you tell me where you saw or heard Mr. Scarinza say that the family didn't want LE to know what was going on.

"Since Day 2 of Maura Murray's disappearance, John Scarinza was on the case. Until 2009, when he retired from the New Hampshire State Police, he was the point man for the investigation and probably knows more about the details of her mystery than anyone."
Seems that 'working' a case for 5+ years would certainly be frustrating for a LE officer at the end of his career. Not to mention that because of assumptions (legitimate or not) made initially led to the necessity of reclaiming all of the evidence that had been released.
"At first, if didn't seem like an unusual occurrence. If you've had too much to drink and then have an accident, you don't want to wait around for law enforcement..........My sense is that she is not still alive." Frustrating indeed.

hannah_b wrote:

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Maybe some of Beagle´s ideas aren´t as outlandish as one would think.

If I remember right, what Beagle was mainly thinking was not that these companies or institutes or whatever had actually themselves done anything to Maura, but that maybe someone looking for easy money could have harmed her in order to get eggs, a kidney, other body parts they could sell on the black market or some other behind the scenes way. Not necessarily as likely as other things that may have happened re her disappearance, but not entirely "out there" either.

Just my observations, but I'm not aware that anyone has ever raised an issue with respect to whether or not other members of Maura's family have alibis. She had a mother, she had two brothers and two sisters. No doubt LE talked with everyone in the family as well as anyone who knew her that they thought might have information, etc.

We have not been told that anyone in the family or any of her friends have been ruled out either, but I'm pretty sure that all or most of them have been. Just because LE doesn't announce who has been cleared of suspicions doesn't mean people have not been cleared.

Jenkins wrote:

Anne I don't get it, now you've been threatened by someone associated with the FBI?!? Really??
Or did he just come to your house wearing his gun?
I don't get it, why would they threaten you? Because you heard the scanner call that's been covered up by the Haverhill pd? Even if that's what happened why would somebody associates with the FBI give a shit? Wouldn't it be a local who would threaten you?
What do u mean this case has wider implications? Are you really saying that this is like a nation-wide coverup?
Did that really happen?
How did this guy even know where you live? Do u have your adress associated with tour topix account? Why would you do that?
You say he has "spy equipment"..did he hack topix to get your info?
I know you've said what road u live on at some point over the years but theoretically that's not even enuf to know which house is your or who u are exactly.
Why would anyone in any other part of the country except mass and Nh care at all abou what your saying about the case?
Is it that your info about the scanner is soo important and soo accurate that your scaring even the FBI?
Are you suggesting that there's a coverup that goes all the way up to the federal gov't?
I'm not trying to badmouth u or jump down your throat here but what is up with those posts you just made?
Why would some guy who trains the FBI, who supposedly lives in Ct but jas Nevada plates give 2 shits about what your posting on some message board that maybe a few hundred people read(if that) and maybe a few thousand people have EVER read over the years.
I mean come on, it's not like these forums effect the real workd or anything. I don't know ANYONE who's EVER read any of this crap.
Why did u feel the need to check where your
Bullets were? Someone in LE showed ip with a gun on his hip? Isn't that where LE always wires their guns? Did you load your gun? You mist not have felt that threatened if you didn't load your gun right? I mean, what's knowing where your bullets r gonna do for you if someone breaks out there gun? What r u gonna do say hold on I gotta go load my gun?

He was not FBI. He was not threatening. He brought up recent bust Haverhill PD made as good job for small department. I agreed. He made direct reference to an ongoing discussion on topix. I simply kept trying to get him back to his initial question concerning trying to find a cabin in the woods that was suppose to be nearby. At the time he stated he was working in western massachusetts. I was annoyed at his 'fishing', and not speaking directly. That was the gist of his conversation. He looked like a salesman but I wasn't taking any of his leads! I suggested he stop at either one of 2 neighbors, they might know. He left and stopped at neither place.