Maura Murray

everyday its something here.. drama, drama , drama!! I had a good convo last night, one in which me & Snowy agreed on something & she wasnt rude to me! I put my lil girl on the bus, then I thought someone asked my age.. so I answered.. God Almighty..

I have to defend who I am everytime I post here it seems!

starts saying Serenity Prayer to keep from cursing..

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Amy your not much of a poker player are you?

What I mean by this is:

In my opinion:
I have to agree with a most of the posts last night about Fred Murray being a possible POI. James Renner also posts a lot of reasons why Fred was involved in some way to help his daughter disappear.

You mentioned that you don't believe Fred's a POI just for the sake of he wants the FBI involved. One can argue that he has done everything he could to make Local LE look so stupid that this is part of his bluff.

I think any logical person has to assume him being a POI. I'm not saying he's guilty but there is enough to make the case for him to be a POI in my opinion. People can't just discount him because emotionally they "feel" " He would never harm his daughter" and maybe he didn't kill her. Maybe he helped her runaway and start a new life.

I also find it very weird that family and PI's that work for Fred have never come out and stated a fact: " Fred was hear and therefore he could have never done it." Something that could be verified and everyone can go on searching somewhere else, but we don't get that in the forum. Even when post after post is pointing to him as a POI.

Again just my opinion.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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What I mean by this is:
In my opinion:
I have to agree with a most of the posts last night about Fred Murray being a possible POI. James Renner also posts a lot of reasons why Fred was involved in some way to help his daughter disappear.
You mentioned that you don't believe Fred's a POI just for the sake of he wants the FBI involved. One can argue that he has done everything he could to make Local LE look so stupid that this is part of his bluff.
I think any logical person has to assume him being a POI. I'm not saying he's guilty but there is enough to make the case for him to be a POI in my opinion. People can't just discount him because emotionally they "feel" " He would never harm his daughter" and maybe he didn't kill her. Maybe he helped her runaway and start a new life.
I also find it very weird that family and PI's that work for Fred have never come out and stated a fact: " Fred was hear and therefore he could have never done it." Something that could be verified and everyone can go on searching somewhere else, but we don't get that in the forum. Even when post after post is pointing to him as a POI.
Again just my opinion.

I agreed with it! If you read everything before we stopped last night, snowy, jenkins, hannah, me, etc; were all agreeing on it.. Why does this person gotta bring my name up?

& I love poker!!

Desenrascanco wrote:

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I agreed with it! If you read everything before we stopped last night, snowy, jenkins, hannah, me, etc; were all agreeing on it.. Why does this person gotta bring my name up?
& I love poker!!

The more you let the little things bother you the more attention you bring to them. Let it go.

In a forum you are only judged by the posts that you write.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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The more you let the little things bother you the more attention you bring to them. Let it go.
In a forum you are only judged by the posts that you write.

Thas werd! Thx

fireweed wrote:

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What made you change your mind from the old days?
JENKINS Plymouth, NH Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007:
It is pretty obvious that if it wasn't for fred's persistance and investigation, LE would be absolutyl no farther than they were on feb 9 '04. I mean come on, if they knew about the red truck on that night, you would think they would have the case solved by now. but no, they have gotten no farther.
im starting to think they did know about the red truck. But they also knew they didn't find it and the chances of them finding it were very slim. So instead of admitting to the public that Maura was most likely abducted and asking the public to look for this red truck with Mass plates they decided to deny and cover up the truth.
If they told the public the truth back then, right now the comunity would be pissed at them for not finding Maura and bringin her abductor to justice. Instead, most of the community has forgotten about it because back in '04 all they heard was that some drunk, suicidal girl couldn't be found. Nothing to worry about, no murderer that abducts girls around here.
This is probably why LE didn't want to hear RO's info about her sighting of the red truck. They didn't want her to think the red truck was important.
LE will never admit Maura was abducted unless they are charging someone. They would never admit it if there was a chance they wouldn't catch the perp. THey won't make themselves look bad.
OF the handling of this case it looks to me like NHLE is much more interested in their image than finding a missing girl."

wow. you are a good historian.
good question to Jenkins. trust he will speak for himself.
however, i've learned something over time....the first, emotional reaction is not always the sound or accurate conclusion.
do we know you? will there be a formal introduction?

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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In a forum you are only judged by the posts that you write.

true....that you represent yourself by your writing,
but
in this forum, the "judging" reflects some very rich dynamics that are steeped in history.
perhaps all we really need are three buttons.....like, dislike, and edit.

fireweed wrote:

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What made you change your mind from the old days?
JENKINS Plymouth, NH Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007:
It is pretty obvious that if it wasn't for fred's persistance and investigation, LE would be absolutyl no farther than they were on feb 9 '04. I mean come on, if they knew about the red truck on that night, you would think they would have the case solved by now. but no, they have gotten no farther.
im starting to think they did know about the red truck. But they also knew they didn't find it and the chances of them finding it were very slim. So instead of admitting to the public that Maura was most likely abducted and asking the public to look for this red truck with Mass plates they decided to deny and cover up the truth.
If they told the public the truth back then, right now the comunity would be pissed at them for not finding Maura and bringin her abductor to justice. Instead, most of the community has forgotten about it because back in '04 all they heard was that some drunk, suicidal girl couldn't be found. Nothing to worry about, no murderer that abducts girls around here.
This is probably why LE didn't want to hear RO's info about her sighting of the red truck. They didn't want her to think the red truck was important.
LE will never admit Maura was abducted unless they are charging someone. They would never admit it if there was a chance they wouldn't catch the perp. THey won't make themselves look bad.
OF the handling of this case it looks to me like NHLE is much more interested in their image than finding a missing girl."

I was always told your position is able to change as new data comes in.

findmaura wrote:

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great point that Fred wouldnt want the FBI called on himself.Did NH Le turn down the FBI coming in?

findmaura,
Yes, I believe that NH LE did in fact turn down the FBI assisting on the case.

Desenrascanco wrote:

everyday its something here.. drama, drama , drama!! I had a good convo last night, one in which me & Snowy agreed on something & she wasnt rude to me! I put my lil girl on the bus, then I thought someone asked my age.. so I answered.. God Almighty..
I have to defend who I am everytime I post here it seems!
starts saying Serenity Prayer to keep from cursing..

Notice most of the drama centers around people that bring their personal lives into the forum. And by responding to every single (off topic)post directed at you, you are dragging it out.

findmaura wrote:

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great point that Fred wouldnt want the FBI called on himself.Did NH Le turn down the FBI coming in?

How is that a great point? Again just an opinion but if he did do anything he was able to successfully manipulate local LE for 8 years. By requesting the FBI maybe that was part of the manipulation. Or maybe he thought he could manipulate the FBI as well.

There is very seldom a logically reason for someone to harm another individual. Asking for the FBI to come doesn't have to be logical.

I'm just going off last nights conversations and stating an opinion.

Have you ever seen husbands on the news crying and asking police to find the killer then a year later they are tried for the murder?

Bumping for Maura wrote:

<quoted text>findmaura, Yes, I believe that NH LE did in fact turn down the FBI assisting on the case.

From the notes made by Maura's family on Monday, February 16, 2004:

"Fred went to Lt. Scarinza to insist that he invite the FBI in on Maura’s case. By this time we had learned from UMass Police that Maura had done a MapQuest Search on her computer on Monday the 9th to Burlington VT. Of course, NH LE has no jurisdiction in VT. We all felt then as we do now that with Maura being a MA citizen missing from NH and evidence of her plans to reach Burlington VT that the FBI should be asked to assist. Lt. Scarinza said he would ask for the FBI’s help. However, before Fred returned to the Wells River Motel from Troop F Headquarters (about a 30 minute drive), an Agent, head of the Bedford Office of the FBI called and asked for Fred. He explained that the FBI must be invited by Troop F to assist and that Lt. Scarinza said there was no need for any assistance at this time. He said that he had spoken with Lt. Scarinza and that in the future Fred was to be the only person questioning LE and that Fred was to be the only one to contact Lt. Scarinza . Fred was quite surprised with this disclosure when he arrived and we later learned that Scarinza’s invitation to the FBI was limited to interviewing family and friends from the Hanson MA area (and to the best of our knowledge Umass). "

amy researches wrote:

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Where did you get the info you posted a while back, that someone called her at 8:10? Was that from the old boards that are now deleted? Just wondering, because that's the first I heard of it. I'm only 8 years behind.:-)

amy,
First time I´ve heard anything about an 8:10 pm call as well.
And I´ve been following this case for years by now...

oo00o wrote:

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Notice most of the drama centers around people that bring their personal lives into the forum. And by responding to every single (off topic)post directed at you, you are dragging it out.

I agree fully! But didnt bring nor have brought my personal life into conversations in weeks! You know different forums & different style people like to make friendly conversation... I only stated about what happened to me to Jenkins cus I am not on the "jump on Mr. Murray" bandwagon.. People do weird things when something happens to a loved one..

Its an internet forum & when people ask certain questions about my life it is rude not to share.. Atleast that is the way I have always been on forums my whole life of using the internet.. I am not a rude person but did have some rude outburst, but I have every right to post here as anyone else as long as I dont start cursing..

Im guessing several people have never met many southerners! Im so glad free agency starts next week cus on the Miami Dolphins forum, everyone knows everyone & mostly in real life also & there is atleast 1500+ posters a day! We meet up at games & stuff..

I have reconized the problem but Im not going to change who I am just to please a couple of people!! & when people reply over & over about a comment defending myself, after I have left it alone... Its Not ONLY me thats dragging it out!!

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

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Respectfully, I think the very fact that she was researching those locales as potential lodgings, illustrates how uninformed she was regarding the actual cost of hotels/motels/lodgings. Hell, when I was in my early twenties, I thought that I could get a hotel room downtown Chicago post-concert for about $75. I was only off by a hundred bucks or so.:) She was young - her father likely always paid for the lodgings, and I know in my experience, my parents never shared the details of the bill with me. Perhaps she THOUGHT she could afford it, initially: Hell, even with another person with her, she barely had enough to make it through two nights (if they went 'dutch' on the room and food). I don't discount that she likely had someone following her/meeting her/etc, but I don't know that her naivete on lodging fares can deduce that.

I've always thought that Maura already had or knew of someone staying in the areas/condos that she called. And that maybe she was being blackmailed.
The bad guy: ok, it's done, she's on the road now. I'll bet she's taking highway xxx and will stop in Wells River. We'll be watching for her there.
I also thought it might be for just a night or two and maybe no cost to her, just enter condo, enter room, and get whatever overwith. If it was an old BF and MR Renner is right, it may have all been over ending the pregnancy. She didn't bring her laptop, wonder why? Maybe she didn't want to be tied down with all that baggage....
The death in the family could have been her own smaralic way of saying goodbye to everyone, that and the page marked in the book, a matter of life or death. Was this a clue? Trying to help her brother out, while knowing the risks.
Just woke up, went to ER yesterday, mind is foggy. But if she was going to run away for good,~ couldn't bear the flats of Oklahoma and fighting once again with her true love, she wouldn't want her computer, all the pictures and ways to contact/referrence the things in her dily life, kept on the laptop. The searches for this and that effect, this and that place, and possibly so much more. For this reason, even though her room seemed packed. If students said she was too afraid to drive to bank/grocier/etc, she may have known what she was about to do was risky but had to do it. Someone was making her. Hypothetical. The person who made the call to security desk around midnight or 1:00am may have said I am so and so, i know about you. I know you're in trouble with CC fraud, meet me out state and sleep with me or I'll tell that you used my card too and i can prove it.
And finally. I would think that the email Maura printed out and left on some boxes should be looked at for a date that it was printed. If it was just printed in the last days or so, it would make so much more of a difference in MY mind as to how she felt about Billy at that moment.
Katherleen,(and it is spelled that way), was later quted to say that Maura and Billy WERE fighting again. And that her sister probably wanted to get away and think.

should have send it might be over ending_a_pregnacy, because it's all just up in the air still.

Snowy wrote:

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are you hinting that someone is collaborating on "the book"? for profit?

Martin's comment was a jab at me. I do some freelance writing work in my spare time, but I am not collaborating on Renner's book.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text> I was always told your position is able to change as new data comes in.

What new data?

Posted by JENKINS, Plymouth, NH on Sat Nov 03, 2007

"Does anyone else agree that Smith was acting highly suspicous that night?

What was the point of keeping FD/EMS away from a car that hadn't been, and wasn't going to be secured? Why were the EMS/FD the only people not allowed near the car?

What was Smith trying to hide?

Than I think about all the lies Atwood has told. I mean he's tod at least 3 different versions of events. SO we know he's lying. He's hiding something but I think we can all agree that he is probably not the actual perp. So something ahd to have scared him into lying.
What could scare him enough to lie then and continue lying for 3 years?
Than remember that Barbara Atwood states that she doesn't know the whereabouts of that girl. So she already somehow knew Maura was gone.
Also remeber the reports of an official looking vehicle at the scene prior to smith.

It looks to me like Smith might be covering up more than we think.
His actions that night are not the actions of a good cop who is out to serve and protect his community. Also, Atwood's lies are not the actions of a regular citizen who helped a motorist who happened to dissapear. They both know more than they are saying."

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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amy,
First time I´ve heard anything about an 8:10 pm call as well.
And I´ve been following this case for years by now...

She said she found it on the phone records shown on the Disappeared program, if that helps.:-)

my bad and I do say that if Maura was running away, I would question why she would not want her laptop too. Maybe pictures of Nana, best friend forever, pics of hiking, file upon file of notes, studies. She wouldn't have to have the internet to access them. If I was runnng away, damn right
I'd take my best laptop. I couldn't just leave all those memories behind, but then, that's just me.
A side note.
I recommend(ha, like that counts), but I recommend they look at Maura's notepad collection. There could be a message like: If I never make it back, it's b/c of so and so.....I hope UMASS police will look at their copy of her harddrive.

And this just makes me mad. That laptop was in Maura's dorm room. The police should have no right to actually keep the darn thing. Not fair at all. I agree with Fred. He might be able to see what may have been going down. He seemed to know she was troubled.