Maura Murray

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>UK12012-" Was wondering what you think about this?" Renners has named his blog My Search for Maura Murray.I think it is cruel and heartless. This has nothing to do with the disappearnce of Maura.

I know u weren't asking me but I don't necessarily see a problem with this.
It's his search for Maura Murray, what's the problem? It's not your search or the fanily's, it's his search. So what's wrong with him calling it my search for Maura?
Say what you will about renner and his motives but he jas obviously put a lot of his time and money Into uncovering what happened to her.
I'm sure the family hates that blog bit that's his because it's showing the family's skeletons in the closet, but honestly it's done more to uncover info than anyone's even come close to doing.
He's answered several questions and turned up Info on things that were written off as rumors years ago.
Renner has clearly shown dedication and effort to search for amswers here.
I'm sure the family doesn't like it but this is for finding Maura & the family should appreciate any and all efforts by journalists to uncover the truth.

I honestly find it way more troubling that Fred won't sit down w him for an Interview.
Why the hell doesn't Fred want a book written about this?
What is he trying to hide?
Is he actually trying to find Maura or is he just pretending to?
When is he going to release something that proves that he was in fact working that night?

Even the info about bully's sister committing suicide is relavant. It shows that family def has issues and isn't the perfect "all-American" family we were led to believe in the beginning. & I find it extremely odd that the case isn't closed due to possible criminal charges? Who ever heard of this for a 5 yr old suicide? Very very strange.

jwb wrote:

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Thank you for your response. My take is the car would have slid to the right if she lost control unless she was trying to avoid an on coming car.. I have never had a car die on me so I wouldn't know what the control would be like

R u talking it would've slid to the right after clipping the snowbank on the left of the rd?

When your car dies u lose power steering, it can be controlled still but it's rather difficult. Could've been quite a shock to a young girl who's never experienced that.
Seems like her car must have died befor she crashed, why else wouldn't she have driven I away from the scene?
The car started, there is nothing hitting the tires. So why didn't she even try to drive it fromthe scene?

Then after the crash why wasn't she worried about trying to find a ride out of there? There's no way she just voluntarily wanted to run the 17 miles to n Woodstock, nobody is that stupid

Jenkins wrote:

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R u talking it would've slid to the right after clipping the snowbank on the left of the rd?
When your car dies u lose power steering, it can be controlled still but it's rather difficult. Could've been quite a shock to a young girl who's never experienced that.
Seems like her car must have died befor she crashed, why else wouldn't she have driven I away from the scene?
The car started, there is nothing hitting the tires. So why didn't she even try to drive it fromthe scene?
Then after the crash why wasn't she worried about trying to find a ride out of there? There's no way she just voluntarily wanted to run the 17 miles to n Woodstock, nobody is that stupid

Jenkins take a look at the drawing and picture the car coming left to right. Why would the car cross the other lane and clip thatcorner. Physics tell me that the car would veer towards the right side and not the left. I don't think it would have clipped the curve at all. JMO and appreciate yours also.

Jenkins wrote:

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Wasn't that drawn up by lavoie the tow truck driver? Thats what I thought.
Honestly it looks like a much more accurate depiction of the accident to me.
I find it interesting that it didnt come from LE, it came from a private citizen. This just shows the cops were either idiots or covering something up. Based on how I've seen Nh LE handle things I tend to lean toward the side of them being idiots but it does seem rather odd.
How could smith possibly have missed the fact that she clipped the snowbank on the inside of the corner? This means his accident report was beyond wrong.
Most interesting thing I find about this telling of the accident is the fact that he said it appeared as if the driver had lost power and was trying to regain control when she hit the left snowbank.
Another thing I think can be shown is the fact that the snowbank did not cause the big dent above her driver side headlight. So we r supposed to believe thatthe snowbank was so soft that she could plow straight through it, uet frozen rock solid enough to put a sharp dent like that into her car? I don't think so.
It obviously wasn't even hard enough to cause damage to her bumper.
One more point Is that lavoie specifically says that a rag in the tailpipe is a good way to disable a car, but everyone on here has just written that off as impossibly because they say a rag can't stay in a tailpipe.
I was talkin to one of my boys who is a mechanic about this and he said you definitely can get a rag to stay in a tailpipe and disable a car with it. He said this is an old school way of testing for exhaust leaks and there is a particular way of folding/rolling up a shop rag to make it so it will stay in there.
But overall I think that dswcription of the accident makes sense, she lost power and with it power steering, then while trying to regain control of her car she clipped the inside of the corner, causing her to spinning end up ass end into the other snowbank

Jenkins-"Honestly it looks like a much more accurate depiction of the accident to me." Please explain what you mean. It has never been stated that she lost power. Only that she hit trees according to the accident report.According to the accident report it was stated by CS that the FD, EMS, and a private citizen helped in the search. According to the logs EMS werent there long enough to help conduct a search.

There definitely was 3 red trucks pulled over in the early morning hours of the 10th.
This can't be a coincidence, there's no way.
We also know that ro didnt report the truck for at least several days so that means there had to have been another witness that pointed in the direction of a red truck.
It appears that the cops knew that night that something bad happened to Maura. They were looking close at red trucks.

My take is that a supervisor showed up early in the morning on the 10th and realized she mostikely was abducted and they have absolutely no idea who did it.
Rather than admit to what they know they decided that playing down the foul play angle.
Do u realize how bad LE wouldook if they admitted there is a murderer on the loose in Nh and they can't catch him?
They would never do that
Easiest to pretend it didn't happen than admit that they suck

jwb wrote:

<quoted text>Thank you for your response. My take is the car would have slid to the right if she lost control unless she was trying to avoid an on coming car.. I have never had a car die on me so I wouldn't know what the control would be like

If you take the Google street view drive (east-bound) toward the WB corner, you're already steering slightly to your left before you get to the major curve.

Let's say the car stalls just before that and you accelerate in order to give it some oomph, but it stalls anyway, you might hit the crusty snowbank on the north side of the road (WB lane), dent the front of the car and spin around. You would already be steering to the left and if the steering locked or lost its ability to function you might go left, not right.

If the Saturn did go right though, what might have happened? Would it have ended up further down the road past the ribboned tree?

6 days to file a accident report

15 plus hrs to give BOL

Frostman wrote:

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If you take the Google street view drive (east-bound) toward the WB corner, you're already steering slightly to your left before you get to the major curve.
Let's say the car stalls just before that and you accelerate in order to give it some oomph, but it stalls anyway, you might hit the crusty snowbank on the north side of the road (WB lane), dent the front of the car and spin around. You would already be steering to the left and if the steering locked or lost its ability to function you might go left, not right.
If the Saturn did go right though, what might have happened? Would it have ended up further down the road past the ribboned tree?

I drive that rt many times but I hear what you are saying. I will look at it more closely the next time I go through there. the curve is very sharp and it pulls you to the right side of it in order to stay in your lane.

Brilliant Brian wrote:

Curious as to how a snow bank causes this type of damage:
http://www.mauramurraymissing.com/images/Head...

Thank you Brian for this photo.

I hope Aphrodite Vasi never sees it.

I stand by every word I said today. I call a spade a spade and I refuse to lie. Sometimes we are forced by circumstances in real life to shade the truth but this is not real life so we don't even have that excuse on this forum.

Arrivederci and good bye.

even if the car did clip the curve, LE didn't note it nor check the track marks.nor did they put it into the report.

whitenoise wrote:

<quoted text> Arrivederci and good bye.

Thank you, Lord.

jwb wrote:

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Brian - I placed the question to jenkins but interested in you reply also. What is your opinion of the diagram on renners blog showing the tv guys version of the saturn clipping the westmans snowbank and then spinning supposidly hitting the trees (as shown on le acc report) and then ending up facing east. Based on the curve and physics do you think it is feasible?

To me, all things point to the left front end hitting something really hard and spinning the car around. Whether it was another vehicle or what, I don't know. I think she just took the curve too fast and went too wide. It doesn't seem like maybe there were enough tracks in the snow for that sort of thing, which also makes me think maybe she hit something that was in the road and it spun her around. I do not think that she hit the snow bank to her left. That doesn't even seem to make sense. Guy seemed to have his own theory about what happened and it sounds a little dramatic to me. JMO

whitenoise wrote:

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Thank you Brian for this photo.
I hope Aphrodite Vasi never sees it.
I stand by every word I said today. I call a spade a spade and I refuse to lie. Sometimes we are forced by circumstances in real life to shade the truth but this is not real life so we don't even have that excuse on this forum.
Arrivederci and good bye.

I hate to break the news to you but there are some real people that really care about what happened to Maura and they post here. Many have good intentions here. Just because you find it to be a game that you play doesn't mean it isn't real for the rest of us. Maura was a real Person,daughter, sister and couisin and her family misses her. So when you say it isn't real then maybe you are oiut of touch with reality mrs multi moniker.

Brilliant Brian wrote:

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To me, all things point to the left front end hitting something really hard and spinning the car around. Whether it was another vehicle or what, I don't know. I think she just took the curve too fast and went too wide. It doesn't seem like maybe there were enough tracks in the snow for that sort of thing, which also makes me think maybe she hit something that was in the road and it spun her around. I do not think that she hit the snow bank to her left. That doesn't even seem to make sense. Guy seemed to have his own theory about what happened and it sounds a little dramatic to me. JMO

Thanks for your input Brian, always welcomed and your theory didn't hurt anyone.

The reason I said it looked more accurate is the fact that the dent was on her drivers side front corner.
It was alsways said that she spun out around the corner which never made any sense to me because if u spin out around a left turn it should ne the right side of your car that hits the snowbank.
It makes much more sense if she messed up before the corner and crashed up the left front of her car.

Citigirl you r right, we don't know If her car lost power or not. All I was saying was that's what lavoie said and that it made sense to me.
If she didn't lose power then what could possibly ne the reason for her to hit the left snowbank?
Just like jwb says the corner makes you want to go right, it's really weird that she hit the left snowbank.
What was she doing? It could've been a deadly accident if another car was coming, who goes into the oncoming traffic lane on such a sharp curve.
She had to have lost power, or been trying to avoid someone or something.
The whole accident was weird, lavoie and someone elsewho was interviewed both said It was one of the weirdest accident scenes theyve ever seen & I agree.
Also why didn't she even try to drive away? The westmans def don't report hearing her trying to start the car after the crash, instead faith westman thought she saw someone casually smoking. I read a more recent interview with her where she states that she still thinks it was a man smoking, her husband says something to the effect of she thought it was, he wasn't sure, and the news reports have kind of convinced them otherwise. Idk, I think it's fairly easy to distinguish between someone smokin a stoge and using a cell phone right?
What kind of cell did she use again? Should be easy to determine whether or not it had a bright red light or not.

So how, if she didn't lose power or get run off the road could she hit the left side of the road? Unless we are to believe she was a crazy idiot who was so drunk she passed out behind the wheel? I obviously don't think that so I'm gonna go with what makes sense.
To me It seems like the car probably died on her.

Brilliant Brian wrote:

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To me, all things point to the left front end hitting something really hard and spinning the car around. Whether it was another vehicle or what, I don't know. I think she just took the curve too fast and went too wide. It doesn't seem like maybe there were enough tracks in the snow for that sort of thing, which also makes me think maybe she hit something that was in the road and it spun her around. I do not think that she hit the snow bank to her left. That doesn't even seem to make sense. Guy seemed to have his own theory about what happened and it sounds a little dramatic to me. JMO

Thank you for posting that visual of the front driver's side bumper again. To me it looks as if the Saturn made contact with a low solid object. Perhaps an icy snowbank, a cement or wooden post or the bumper of another vehicle?

jwb wrote:

even if the car did clip the curve, LE didn't note it nor check the track marks.nor did they put it into the report.

That accident report is just plain wrong. Did it really take home 6 days to do it? I thought it was filled out the next morning.
How could he not notice the tracks going through the snowbank on the inside of the turn?
How can a tow truck driver give a better description 7 years later? One that fits with the damage.
Is that part of it? Did they know someone ran her off the road and took her or something? Was this part of the lie? The bosses saying you guys just say the car looked like it simply spun out around the corner and you thought it was her father and he probably went snowmobiling or something. What did he tie the snowmobile to the roof of the Saturn or something? Something is up with this

I guess for WhiteNoise, good-bye doesn't mean forever. Keep those peanuts coming dahllin'.

Has anyone here honestly ever seen an icy snowbank case a dent like is seen on the pic Brian posted, that sharp dent above the heaight that actually pushed the hood down over the light. Seriously think about it.
I have never seem anything like that caused by a snowbank. Snowbanks make big dent, even icy ones aren't that hard.
When I was 18 & first was in colleg in Nh I used to love the giant snowbanks in Nh bc I could drive like an idiot and not have to worry about messing my car up to bad. Between the age of like 16-20 I went into my share of snowbanks and a bunch of my friends did too, never saw anything like what happened to her car above the bumper.
The damage below her bumper is much more consistent with hitting an icy snowbank,IMO

Jenkins wrote:

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That accident report is just plain wrong. Did it really take home 6 days to do it? I thought it was filled out the next morning.
How could he not notice the tracks going through the snowbank on the inside of the turn?
How can a tow truck driver give a better description 7 years later? One that fits with the damage.
Is that part of it? Did they know someone ran her off the road and took her or something? Was this part of the lie? The bosses saying you guys just say the car looked like it simply spun out around the corner and you thought it was her father and he probably went snowmobiling or something. What did he tie the snowmobile to the roof of the Saturn or something? Something is up with this

it wa the tv guy in town who is also an emt did the scetch and yes 6 daysfor the accident report. look at the date it was signed.