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(And im sure ive posted the right article this time.) Its why I am so torn. So many reasons for her to walk away but also very vulnerable to harm from a predator. Look at the story today of the Montana high school teacher missing jan 2. She was found deceased and a crack addict admitted to abducting and killing her while she was jogging. The guy and his buddy even returned the shovel they had used to bury her. I dont think you can rule out suicide or a scenario that renner presents that she may have met accidental harm while fleeing. That is what is so frustrating and clearly has kept this case from being solved for so long.
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whiston
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hi lighthouse101 ,I am saying I am still not clear where the saturn was actually found.MrGuy,with 30 plus years in EMS seems to think the saturn going east cut into the snowbank on the Westmans side of the road.The Westmans said the accident was not like the prior accidents that had occured at the curve.Sharon was shown where the saturn was actually found.I am assuming as people showed up to the scene over a few days,someone had to show them where to start the search and that seems to change depending on where we read.The location seems to vary by hundreds of feet so in my mind the distances we have been given are unreliable.My personal feeling is highschool friends knew little about Maura's private life and I was banished from Helenas site for asking about it..I was told it was deemed unimportant by MrMurray.I asked who changed the oil on the saturn and where Maura got her mail assuming she may have recieved something Monday A.M. to cause her to leave.I was told not to ask silly questions..Prior life IMHO was a mess.
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Since: Nov 08
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Det Columbo wrote: NO LE, FD, EMS whether in Emergency vehicles or private vehicles came from the east that evening. This is per interviews with all of the above. It was stated by LE themselves that they did not search to the east that night past BHR. This direction should not have been ruled out that early in the investigation. How did they decide that going to the east was not a reasonable egress of the scene? Sorry WTH....You are wrong...but maybe IF You were there that night things might have gone differently with your input. OH NO that just would have been one more person saying, "WE don't need to go east, why would She go east, Her car was headed east but She probably went west, but She was running from the scene, maybe She did go east. NO Maybe it was Fred Murray driving Smith says or did You see the girl that was driving the car or maybe She went to Mtn lakes or snowmobiling. Don't go east....NO REASON....NOPE NONE AT ALL. Give Me a break John Again John, we need to qualify this with the comment that you aren't particularly bright but I would check with the people in charge of that initial search. We have already established that the things you DON'T know would fill volumes. The thing I know for sure is that you weren't there. So anything you say, is guesswork, not even educated guesswork. They may have had specific reasons that you don't know. I suggest you check with them. Unless of course they won't talk to you. Knowing your reputation. And again, you operate under the premise that they were under some obligation to find Maura that night. She ran from the scene. I suspect that if she stayed at the car, like she should have. CS would have found or maybe supplied a ride for her. And when you say "didn't go east". We know he went to SBD's house, correct? That was east of the scene. SBD didn't see her pass by correct? So what you mean is you don't think they went far enough east for your sensibilities. Too bad you weren't in charge that night. I am sure you would have found her with your keen intellect and sharp sense of direction. She would have been a lucky girl indeed to have you on her side.:barf: Bill
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Since: Oct 08
Lowell, MA
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text> to my understanding, there were no physical signs of a struggle in the immediate area of her disappearance. passers-by and neighbors could have been alerted to the sounds of a scuffle, a blowing horn or a scream for help; evidence of articles of clothing or possessions left behind in the vicinity might have been obvious signs of a struggle. there were none. correct. she didn't want help. she must have had another plan in mind. Snowy, I'm not saying she was abducted, I'm saying if in fact she got in a car with someone she knew or recognized, I highly doubt that the second or minute that she got in the car she would turn and scream and there would be a struggle, not with someone she knew, who knows where the struggle (if there was one) could have happened? And why would there be torn clothing on the ground? Could just be in the truck/car, whatever or maybe there was no torn clothing at all. It could have been any number of scenerios, she bent over to pick something up and was struck in the car, she looked in her backpack for something and was hit, God only knows really. But the fact remains that you're not hearing a scream for help inside a car in February. There is no evidence of a struggle or an abduction, and yes, very well might have been that her choices led her to the situation she was in when she disappeared.
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Since: Mar 11
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George wrote: Who knows? She may be in the witness protection program. God I hope not. Finding someone that is in wp isn't very fun. Infact, speaking from exp... It sucks.
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chicken
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how do you go to the other side of the river?
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There's no evidence of a struggle. But there's also no evidence that she entered the woods either, which would have been extremely difficult at that time of year. In addition to that the rive runs along the road for miles so there would've only been one direction that she entered the woods. Scarinza himself flew in the SP helicopter looking through the flir..he describes being able to see animal tracks in the snow clear as day, he was ably to see hinter's tree stands and all sorts of things. But he never saw any human footprints entering the woods. Scarinza sounds pretty confident when he says that they don't believe she is in the woods and therefore most likely left the scene in another vehicle. All this talk about they should've searched east, they shouldn't have searches east etc seems like a distraction IMO. Obviously they should've sent a car a few mins up the road east that night but they didn't. In sure they're reasoning that night was justified knowing what they knew.
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Jenkins
United States
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There is absolutely no way in hell that she is in the witness protection program. That's just silly
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chicken
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Snowy wrote: i believe the better focus would be to know where she was headed, and/or with whom she might have traveled, and especially to know the status of all of her relationships at that time. it might go a long way to explain why she left/ran from Amherst. crazy man like the bartender from home the facist pig from school who else
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Snowy
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Laurieisgone wrote: <quoted text> Snowy, I'm not saying she was abducted, I'm saying if in fact she got in a car with someone she knew or recognized, I highly doubt that the second or minute that she got in the car she would turn and scream and there would be a struggle, not with someone she knew, who knows where the struggle (if there was one) could have happened? And why would there be torn clothing on the ground? Could just be in the truck/car, whatever or maybe there was no torn clothing at all. It could have been any number of scenerios, she bent over to pick something up and was struck in the car, she looked in her backpack for something and was hit, God only knows really. But the fact remains that you're not hearing a scream for help inside a car in February. There is no evidence of a struggle or an abduction, and yes, very well might have been that her choices led her to the situation she was in when she disappeared. as you said 5,000...and i'll add questions and points of speculation. unknowns. if you drag someone against their will, they may leave a shoe behind them, or clothing may be torn in the ensuing struggle. IF she accepted a ride with someone she knew, a family member or friend, then they know exactly what happened. i don't believe FrmLE's emphatic statement that a relative was not involved. that is purely an opinion. i don't accept that he is, in fact, FmrLE just because he say so.
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Since: Mar 11
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Jenkins wrote: There is absolutely no way in hell that she is in the witness protection program. That's just silly I agree totally. I think it can be dismissed.
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mcsmom
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I think this is an EDR ( event data recorder) in Maura's door pictured on Renner's site. Looks exactly like the EDR for this Saturn in this link.( The arrow on the metal casing is the same) http://www.airbagcrash.com/ourservicesandlink... Why would the EDR be in Maura's car if it was removed???? Why remove it if it's not going to be shipped to determine it's diagnostic evidence?
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Keepthesearchalive wrote: <quoted text> I agree totally. I think it can be dismissed. as someone said in the comments on Renner's blog....70% of what is said is "reaching". i agree.
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Since: Feb 12
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text> as you said 5,000...and i'll add questions and points of speculation. unknowns. if you drag someone against their will, they may leave a shoe behind them, or clothing may be torn in the ensuing struggle. IF she accepted a ride with someone she knew, a family member or friend, then they know exactly what happened. i don't believe FrmLE's emphatic statement that a relative was not involved. that is purely an opinion. i don't accept that he is, in fact, FmrLE just because he say so. Good to see you. I never thought of the signs of struggle. I always said it, but I never actually though of signs of struggles that could be left behind. Jackets, backpack, cellphone. Good post.
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Snowy
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Lighthouse 101 wrote: <quoted text> Good to see you. I never thought of the signs of struggle. I always said it, but I never actually though of signs of struggles that could be left behind. Jackets, backpack, cellphone. Good post. thanks, much.
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whiston
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Hi Mcsmom and all.I also wondered if it is normal to leave the EDR in a car.I think LE in NH had the equipment to read it at the time.For me the biggest thing is it records how many times the vehicle is started after the airbags deploy.I would expect to see it in all abandoned vehicles with airbag deployment but who knows,Vetronix is a company that makes the readers for this equipment it is fascinating what could be recorded in a 1996 saturn sl2.A video company offered Mr Murray a ready for t.v. video with all the bells and whistles,he declined.take care philip
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text> Again John, we need to qualify this with the comment that you aren't particularly bright but I would check with the people in charge of that initial search. We have already established that the things you DON'T know would fill volumes. The thing I know for sure is that you weren't there. So anything you say, is guesswork, not even educated guesswork. They may have had specific reasons that you don't know. I suggest you check with them. Unless of course they won't talk to you. Knowing your reputation. And again, you operate under the premise that they were under some obligation to find Maura that night. She ran from the scene. I suspect that if she stayed at the car, like she should have. CS would have found or maybe supplied a ride for her. And when you say "didn't go east". We know he went to SBD's house, correct? That was east of the scene. SBD didn't see her pass by correct? So what you mean is you don't think they went far enough east for your sensibilities. Too bad you weren't in charge that night. I am sure you would have found her with your keen intellect and sharp sense of direction. She would have been a lucky girl indeed to have you on her side.:barf: Bill Were You there Bill, in one capacity or another.? John
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JWB..... Down in Your neck of the woods today trying out My new car. 112 West from Truants to BHR past acc. site and over to 302 and up to Lisbon. Timing.... John
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looking4amoose
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Det Columbo wrote: JWB..... Down in Your neck of the woods today trying out My new car. 112 West from Truants to BHR past acc. site and over to 302 and up to Lisbon. Timing.... John Taking my new car up 112 tomorrow night! Haven't been up there in like a month!
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Wow all these new cars going rt 112 west. Anyone going east?
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