Maura Murray

I went West....

I didn't think You could go East on that rd.

John

It was an awesome day for a ride. Stopped at the Ribbon Tree like I always do when I pass by.

Still some frost heaves out there for sure.

John

whiston wrote:

Where did Maura Murray vanish to.

who cares?

Snowy wrote:

<quoted text>i don't believe FrmLE's emphatic statement that a relative was not involved. that is purely an opinion.

For the record, I never said a family member was not involved, so you are atributing atatements to me that I did not make. Please try not to do that, as you well know on this un-moderated forum what is said once, regardless of whether it is true or not, will be repeated over and over as FACT.

What I said was that Fred was absolutely not responsible (directly) for Maura's dissapearance, nor did he know where she was, nor does he know where she is now. That is what I said.

Snowy wrote:

<quoted text>i don't accept that he is, in fact, FmrLE just because he say so.

I completely endorse your position, do not believe a thing that anyones says on here without verification. I am in fact a retired cop, Detective, however it makes sense to not believe this.

What I do is offer my opinions, insight, and factual data that may help you form opinions. Take those statements for the value they have, how much sesne they make, how logical they are, and judge for yourself how much weight to give each statement.

Anything else is senseless.

I remember JKM's car number back then, but not sure why it is relevant? It did begin with a "6", right columbo.

jwb wrote:

Wow all these new cars going rt 112 west. Anyone going east?

Well technically I will go west on friday....east on Sunday

NOT-FrmLE wrote:

I remember JKM's car number back then, but not sure why it is relevant? It did begin with a "6", right columbo.

It is relevent to where he was that night. Based on what I see he was in Lisbon and came from the west.
Just trying to confirm his # so I am 100 % sure.

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>Well technically I will go west on friday....east on Sunday

Oh a hasty drive, interesting.

NOT-FrmLE wrote:

<quoted text>
For the record, I never said a family member was not involved, so you are atributing atatements to me that I did not make. Please try not to do that, as you well know on this un-moderated forum what is said once, regardless of whether it is true or not, will be repeated over and over as FACT.
What I said was that Fred was absolutely not responsible (directly) for Maura's dissapearance, nor did he know where she was, nor does he know where she is now. That is what I said.
<quoted text>
I completely endorse your position, do not believe a thing that anyones says on here without verification. I am in fact a retired cop, Detective, however it makes sense to not believe this.
What I do is offer my opinions, insight, and factual data that may help you form opinions. Take those statements for the value they have, how much sesne they make, how logical they are, and judge for yourself how much weight to give each statement.
Anything else is senseless.

too many negatives here for me to process, "NOT", FrmLE.
thank you for the exact quote; i was too lazy to find it.

not surprisingly, my attempt to be discreet and my reluctance to use FM's name was still unsuccessful and backfired.
you are convinced "Fred was absolutely not responsible (directly) for Maura's dissapearance [sic], nor did he know where she was, nor does he know where she is now."; that is your opinion.

might he have had indirect knowledge?

do you anticipate any further updates and/or official public statements from authorities to announce they are ruling out any persons of interest?

FrmLE, what's your reasoning behind your statement that Fred had nothin to do with it and has no idea where she is.

Because he's a grieving father?
Because he looked sad on the disappeared show?

IMO he looked a little too sad to me, like je was playing it up for the camera.
Watch that show, look at all the other parents that r trying to find their kid.
None of them look like he does.
He just acts like sooo sad, totally looks like he's trying to act for the camera IMO. & then does the opposite of what would help find Maura. Hes on se sort of father's quest to find his daughter, he's doing the investigation himself. Well why not help the real investigation??

Why didn't he sit down for a formal interview for 2 years? & he expects LE to just hand him over the files?? Sorry but that's not how it works. Don't matter if your a grieving father, an investigation in an investigation. & the family r the first suspects until they r eliminated. He hadn't been eliminated so why the hell would he think he has special priveledge to get the files?

Why is the statement that he gave to UMass LE so much different than the statements that he's made subsequent to that?
He was either lying then, or he's lying now. But he definitely was lying one of the times...that much we know for a fact.

So why is he lying?
What's he trying to hide?

I'm of the opinion that he probably didn't kill Maura, well I hope so at least. But I do believe that he knows way more than he's saying.

NOT-FrmLE wrote:

I remember JKM's car number back then, but not sure why it is relevant? It did begin with a "6", right columbo.

Next # "1"

600 is the Commander. Who is that now.?

John

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text>
Those aren't conference calls. Fred didn't make any conference calls. Those calls you are referring to are routed calls. The first call at 5:36 AM that lasted almost 11 minutes was an outbound call "0" on cellphone tower (REPOLL) 240.
Shortly after there was an incoming call from tower position 254 which was than routed "2" back to cellphone tower 240.
If you look at the bill all the "conference calls" are actually routed calls "2" which usually mean the call hit REPOLL 254 but went back to 240.

Hey lighthouse I'm clearly having a little trouble understanding exactly what u mean by rerouted calls. They were routed to different towers?

So your phone company charges you twice for the same call if it hits a different tower?
Why have I never seen anything like this on my phone bill?
I looked thru my phone records online & in 3 months I don't have anything that even resembles that on my bill.
Certainly no 2 calls that were started 10 seconds apart from each other and then end at the same time.
It sounds like u know what your talking about here, idk If it's me just not understanding or what but I still don't understand why the phone company would b charging 2 separate calls bc it went to another tower.
Doesn't your signal jump towers all the time?
I still can't c what else those could b except conference calls.
Maybe u could explain again a little more simply to help me understand bc at this point I c no way that those aren't conference calls...especially comparing it to any phone bill I've ever seen in my life.

jwb wrote:

<quoted text>
It is relevent to where he was that night. Based on what I see he was in Lisbon and came from the west.
Just trying to confirm his # so I am 100 % sure.

Strange. Until recently it was always being said that NH State Trooper JKM was off-duty when he came upon Maura´s wrecked Saturn on Rte 112, and that this is why he never - apparently - wrote any kind of report on the subject.
Now, it seems as if JKM after all was on duty at the time...

Bumping for Maura wrote:

<quoted text>
Strange. Until recently it was always being said that NH State Trooper JKM was off-duty when he came upon Maura´s wrecked Saturn on Rte 112, and that this is why he never - apparently - wrote any kind of report on the subject.
Now, it seems as if JKM after all was on duty at the time...

Just another inconsistency thrown into the mix.

John

That's a good question bumping for...
Was Jkm on duty or not?
I always thought he wasn't, & just swung by the scene to "help"

I find it interesting that after that he was at a hotel for a couple hours.
What was he doing at a hotel for 2 hrs whether he was working or not?
There wasn't an emergency call to that hotel as far as I can tell.

So he leaves the accident scene and then goes to a hotel for 2 hrs?

Nit saying he did anything but that does seem wicked odd.
& why has nobody ever considered him a possible suspect? Bc he's LE? That's laughable.

& what about McKay?? Anyone ever notice that the bol was issued at 7:50 & the last place we have a reported sighting was at 8 near 116.
If McKay got that Bol in Franconia at 7:50 & headed that way that would place him right near her last sighting right at the correct time.
If the CW can b believed, she was picked up shortly after he saw her bc there r no other witnesses that reported seeing her.
If your driving 112 at night in February seeing someone walking down the road is gonna b a pretty weird sight and I would think someone would seen her. Especially when I consider how big the snowbanks r which means there is no shoulder and she's basically walking in the road at that point.

I wonder if LE ever truly looked into McKay and Floyd in relation to this.
Again we had one confirmed rogue cop and his scumbag buddy prowling those exact roads at that exact time she went missing.
Also it is known that McKay was a sexist fuck. I'll tell u this much: He is lucky he didn't have several sexual harrassment &/or sexual assaults on his record.
Has anybody ever been able to look at his internal record from troop F? Like complaints against him & such. I would love to c that. I would bet $ that there were complaints of a sexual nature in there, & if there wasn't that's bc he scared the shit out of these little girls so bad that they never filed one.
McKay was a bad cop and a bad person, borderline evil person. IMO he was straight up evil & got exactly what he deserved in the end.
I would not be surprised in the slightest if it turned out he and his scumbag wannabe cop buddy turned out to be the ones responsible for taking Maura. He and Floyd were the exact kind of people who r capable of abducting a beautiful young girl like Maura.
But even If the cops knew it was them the chances of the public ever knowing it r slim to none

Jenkins wrote:

That's a good question bumping for...
Was Jkm on duty or not?
I always thought he wasn't, & just swung by the scene to "help"
I find it interesting that after that he was at a hotel for a couple hours.
What was he doing at a hotel for 2 hrs whether he was working or not?
There wasn't an emergency call to that hotel as far as I can tell.
So he leaves the accident scene and then goes to a hotel for 2 hrs?
Nit saying he did anything but that does seem wicked odd.
& why has nobody ever considered him a possible suspect? Bc he's LE? That's laughable.
& what about McKay?? Anyone ever notice that the bol was issued at 7:50 & the last place we have a reported sighting was at 8 near 116.
If McKay got that Bol in Franconia at 7:50 & headed that way that would place him right near her last sighting right at the correct time.
If the CW can b believed, she was picked up shortly after he saw her bc there r no other witnesses that reported seeing her.
If your driving 112 at night in February seeing someone walking down the road is gonna b a pretty weird sight and I would think someone would seen her. Especially when I consider how big the snowbanks r which means there is no shoulder and she's basically walking in the road at that point.
I wonder if LE ever truly looked into McKay and Floyd in relation to this.
Again we had one confirmed rogue cop and his scumbag buddy prowling those exact roads at that exact time she went missing.
Also it is known that McKay was a sexist fuck. I'll tell u this much: He is lucky he didn't have several sexual harrassment &/or sexual assaults on his record.
Has anybody ever been able to look at his internal record from troop F? Like complaints against him & such. I would love to c that. I would bet $ that there were complaints of a sexual nature in there, & if there wasn't that's bc he scared the shit out of these little girls so bad that they never filed one.
McKay was a bad cop and a bad person, borderline evil person. IMO he was straight up evil & got exactly what he deserved in the end.
I would not be surprised in the slightest if it turned out he and his scumbag wannabe cop buddy turned out to be the ones responsible for taking Maura. He and Floyd were the exact kind of people who r capable of abducting a beautiful young girl like Maura.
But even If the cops knew it was them the chances of the public ever knowing it r slim to none

I think theres a few of us here that have always considered JKM as a suspect.
And your spot on about Mckay.I agree,he got what was coming to him.

Does Anybody have a good reason why McKay &/or Floyd should be eliminated?
Besides there's no evidence linking them, obviously there's nothing direct of they would b in jail.
Or the fact that he's a cop?
Was there ever a good reason to eliminate them or is it just that there's nothing but the fact these guys were assholes in the same general vicinity? Not really much to go on.
But they must've heard it on the scanner, you know Floyd was listening to that shit, freakin weirdo.
I like to think they weren't involved so if anyone has anything solid eliminating them let me know pleas.
How would u go about investigating a cops whereabouts? Is there any sort of internal reports they make to their superiors about where they go & do during their shift? U would think they would Have to fill out some sort of paperwork when their done w their shift, or at least every few days or week. Is there any way of getting ahold of something like that? I wouldn't think that's public information. I Don't think I've ever even heard of anyone mentioning seeing something like that. So I guess the likely hood of that is pretty slim. I'm not suggesting anyone run out and start trying to investigate any cops or anything I'm more just saying it to make the point of: if there was some sort of major coverup like this going down, for example a few cops knowing that some dead cop and his rogue buddy abducted Maura but can't prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. So instead the cops just keep quiet about that and work it like they don't know shit.
Point being how could the public ever figure something like that out? If u can't have any information about a Leos activities during a shift how could u ever prove some sort of corruption like that? It's like next to impossible. U can't investigate cops unless u wanna get yourself arrested.
Someone in this board, bill I think, said that if a private citizen finds out about major corruption he can call the FBI. Which I think is true. They def have a tip line and I'm sure if u could give them credible info where they could make a case they would take it. But how would u ever b able to ever get credible information without being a direct witness, say someone drove by and saw Floyd grabbing her or something. Obviously that didn't happen but it seems like there's very little oversight of LE. They don't like scandals they make people lose faith in their force.
Hypothetically, what would nhsp do if they figured out that one of their guys was actually a killer, but they have no hard evidence to convict him with. Think they'd fire him& tell the press? I don't think they would, I think theyd give him a desk job.
Something weird happened that night, something that scared the sbd to the bone. He lied for years and took that shit to the grave with him. Someone scared him, I wonder who would have the power to do that?

why was the nhsp not interested in the timeline?

Has anyone looked at the NHSP logs for 2-9-2004?

are the NHSP logs available for us to see for Feb 9,2004?

Why not?