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WTH-the-original wrote:

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The dog also, only the handler can say for sure. But, if the glove was touched by Maura the dog would have the scent. But again, air scent dogs track scent that is on the air. And the wind would likely be either east-west on the road. Air scent dogs follow exactly that. Scent of the person on the air not actually the person.
Hope that helps clarify.
Bill

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amy researches wrote:

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Bill, can I bother you again please? Could you please further clarify what it means that "the wind would likely be either east-west on the road"?

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I only mean that the wind would be strongest up or down the road, either one way or the other rather than across the road. Simply just a case of less resistance along the road rather than the wind fighting through the trees. So the scent would be pushed in that direction, up or down the road, more than across the road.
Hope this makes sense.
Bill

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amy researches wrote:

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I'm dyslexic, so I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass. It just happens. LOL. I guess what I'm asking is, is there any chance that by the time they used this dog, that the scent had blown from the car area to where her scent was last tracked east? Sorry if that is a completely stupid question, but I would rather ask than misunderstand what the possibilities are.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Not a stupid question. I don't think so but, considering she was seen to loiter around the car for a while, it stands to reason that their would have been a large pool of scent to be blown around......down the road, possibly. How far that could move is an interesting question. I have seen a dog follow my scent 100 feet away from my actual path, then turn abruptly when downwind from me and follow the scent directly to my location. That was only with about an hour of light breeze between when I laid the scent and the dog followed it. With stronger breezes and less obstructions (this particular track was in the woods) how far could that scent pool be blown down the road? I can't answer that question. I tend to believe it could have been a pretty good distance. And again, we are talking about air scent dogs.
Hope this helps clarify what I an writing about.
Bill

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Not a stupid question. I don't think so but, considering she was seen to loiter around the car for a while, it stands to reason that their would have been a large pool of scent to be blown around......down the road, possibly. How far that could move is an interesting question. I have seen a dog follow my scent 100 feet away from my actual path, then turn abruptly when downwind from me and follow the scent directly to my location. That was only with about an hour of light breeze between when I laid the scent and the dog followed it. With stronger breezes and less obstructions (this particular track was in the woods) how far could that scent pool be blown down the road? I can't answer that question. I tend to believe it could have been a pretty good distance. And again, we are talking about air scent dogs.
Hope this helps clarify what I an writing about.
Bill

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anonymousone wrote:

If she vanished in only 7-8 minutes between the time of arrival of police and the time Butch Atwood saw her then we could even narrow the time down further. One of the neighbors said that she saw the interior light turn on and off and also someone open the trunk of the Saturn after Butch Atwood saw her. In addition she walked/ran 100 yards east. So with all of this taken into account we even have about 3-4 more minutes accounted for. Maura Murray literally vanished in 3 minutes.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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No. I no longer remember (if I ever knew) if the dogs used were tracking or trailing or if they were air scent or if they were scent discrimination or if multiple types were used. The only ones that I do know (the CCSAR and NEk9 handlers and dogs) I don't know which dogs were used during the searches.
There was very little information of the searches released that I remember.
I would also agree that a tracking dog would likely be more useful in this type of search where the persons last known point was known. Being that it is following scent laying on the ground. It doesn't disperse as easily as air scent does. They are also likely to be following actual footsteps of the person, so they are actually following the track of the person, not the drifting of the scent.
Bill

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I am familiar with the dog NEK9 used and Nancy who sadly passed away last year. I am also familiar with and have worked with CCSAR, the people and dogs. I have opinions on both the groups based upon what I have seen working with them and other groups not used. I am not familiar with any of the other dogs or handlers used in these searches (other than the ones mentioned) and don't know their capabilities.
Bill

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Jenkins wrote:

Is it theoretically possible someone folded the rag and put it in her tailpipe and then waited a couple miles down the road for her? It certainly is possible & honestly stranger things than that have happened, although I do gotta say this would b one of the more peculiar abductions if that was shown to b the case.
Who's to say the perp wasn't a mechanic?
If u know how to do that Its actually a great way to abduct someone.
If u know their car is gonna die within a few miles that would be a great way to get her in your truck, your just the nice passerby about to save her from her fate w the cops.
It also appears that she actually lost control before she hit the corner, not after. Considering the rd conditions that night this is hard to explain without her car dying before she hit the corner. IMO her car died, when yur car dies while moving u lose power steering and your dashboard lights up like a Xmas tree. She probably looked downbc her dash was flashing and when she looked up she was heading for the snowbank on the other side of the road and without power steering she had a hard time regaining control.
Not saying this is what happened but when u combine that w the report of a red truck that was looking for someone and/or waiting for someone, it begins to become a little more possible that this is actually what happened.
So we got a rag in the tailpipe which could disable a car if done properly, we got witnesses seeing someone in a red truck acting rather strange. And we have evidence/testimony showIng that her car actually died before the corner not after, which indicates that the car did become disabled.
I don't know if I think this is what happened but there's a few things that r hard to ignore imo

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AcidHouseMartin wrote:

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It is a very small window. I'm never sure, though, how people can be sure that this is the point she 'vanished'. If she was looking to put a little space between her and the accident, she might have flagged down a car and asked for a lift to somewhere she could rest up, maybe sleep, in comfort before planning to return to the vehicle later. While a person picking her up at the accident scene may have hurt her, they may also have taken her safely to either a destination of her choosing or somewhere they knew of along their own route such as a motel or something. She could have been harmed, or accidentally injured as she tried to return to the vehicle instead of as she left it. Equally, she may have taken a lift a certain distance with someone from the crash scene then picked up another ride or started a further journey on foot.
With no immediate comprehensive search and a lack of leads, nothing seems certain in this case other than a young woman is unaccounted for.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Once she saw SBD she probably new that LE would be on their way, so she could have decided to take a lift with someone.

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vocallocal wrote:

I guess I've read enough on this forum to last a lifetime. I've got all that I need from here thank you.
All the ones that have been here for years, my hats off to you for putting up with the rudest, nastiest most insulting people I think I've ever known to post on an internet forum.
To the ones that replied to me with respect and kindness I thank you very much. It was appreciated.
To the ones that were rude and obnoxious to a new poster(you know who you are) there's karma. It bites you in the butt when it's least expected.
Thanks, it's been a real trip.