Maura Murray

"Pork is not a verb."

Bart S wrote:

"Pork is not a verb."

“I never thought it was humanly possible, but this both sucks and blows.”

Whoosh.
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DID ANY ONE SEARCH EAST.?

Jenkins wrote:

<quoted text>And many of the rangers around the whites. It can actually be a fairly big deal if someone simply leaves a car parked overnight at some trailheads.

Seriously, are you kidding? You really need to get out more. Especially during the non-winter season there are cars parked overnight on most of the trail-heads. They are called campers. People camp in the forest. What trail-heads? Again, are you kidding? You sound like you might be a peakbagger. I hiked many of the 4000 footers but lost interest. I don't go into woods to be surrounded by people. I spend a lot of my time off trails. I don't use huts or even lean-tos. I use a tent or tarp and camp well off of the trails.

Jenkins wrote:

<quoted text>What areas r u talking about going to at night?

I have gone into the Pemi wilderness. I have gone into the Zealand area. I have done the wilderness trail and desolation trails. I have been all through the forest. Nancy pond area. Throughout the Waterville valley area. Sawyer river area. I mean I cant really list them all. I have been doing this for a couple of decades. As well as the Northern mountains. I have camped and used so many trail-heads. I cannot possibly list them all. There is no rule of when you can arrive or leave to go camping so I am not sure why you think this is so unusual.

You have really lost a lot of the greatest experiences if you have not hiked at night. Views can be nice but I love the night sky, a real treat in the Whites because of no light pollution. You should really look at it there on a moonless night. I often plan my camping trips for such just nights to stare at the night sky. I especially remember some of the comets I have seen in the forests.

Jenkins wrote:

<quoted text>Where did u park your car? When was the last time u did something like that?

I have had a real dry spell and expect to get out within the month for several days. The last time I went camping was about three months ago though I was just hiking locally last weekend. I often go hiking at lunch. I am lucky that we live in a town with many miles of trails. Working on SAR in my town fire department I have mapped and have access to many areas that many don't. I will not say were I am planning to go camping because I plan this particular trip to the same location I have been to more than once and I want no company. It is well off any marked trail though.

Jenkins wrote:

<quoted text>But you r right about your eyes adjusting to the dark and being able to see just fine in the ambient light,... Prob way easier in the winter bc of the snow.

You will get more diffuse light reflected because of the snow. The worst nights, we use to call them "Infantry nights" were the raining nights. You would be blind because of no light and deaf because of the white noise from the rain. While we had access to starlight scopes, we usually didn't use them like they use them now. And the FLIR systems available were few and far between. We did lots of night missions with no such devices. We got very use to the night. The place we used them extensively were night missions on the border.

Jenkins wrote:

<quoted text>You may do this but it is not common by any stretch of the imagination

Again, being associated with a school has its own set of problems being that they are kids and if you lose one or two or they get a blister it becomes an "issue". It is still an issue if you lose three or more men in the military also but not as big an issue so we do it and we do it often. And we would do it very, very often. So often, that we would actually lose fewer and fewer every-time we would do it. The most common injuries are ankle and knee injuries but that is same as daytime activities. And yes, I consider it remarkably relaxing and enjoyable and I do know many that do it besides me. Many of them have never even been in the military.

Bill

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Bart S wrote:

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Your smoother than the has beens on Dancing With The Stars.!

I'm promoting You to Junior PI.

Meet me in the courtyard, Junior. I'll slip you The Flask and the keys to the Time Out Tent.!

detective schtick wrote:

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Your smoother than the has beens on Dancing With The Stars.!
I'm promoting You to Junior PI.
Meet me in the courtyard, Junior. I'll slip you The Flask and the keys to the Time Out Tent.!

"Eat my shorts!"

detective schtick wrote:

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“I never thought it was humanly possible, but this both sucks and blows.”
Whoosh.
Whoosh.
Whooooooooosh.
DID ANY ONE SEARCH EAST.?

"i'm Bart Simpson, who the HELL are you?"

"Remember, you can always find East by staring directly at the sun."

This is a Clue.?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

It was Professor Plum, in the Library, with the Candlestick.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Again, you show how little you know about the areas that are being discussed here. The area that Maura was in has hills of 800 foot elevation change and of course she was an adult. The other case was likely a terrified eight year old child in hypothermic conditions and a possible 2300 foot elevation changes. And those terrains are not the same. Walk them sometime. I have. We also don't know how much road time she might have had before and if she went into the woods. There are also areas that she could have traveled in the woods in valleys or low on the hills in many of those areas without 2000 foot elevation changes.
Really, do you consider the situations to be the same? And again. You falsely keep saying 2 foot of snow. The only place that there was 2 feet of snow was on the sides of the roads.
Bill

No I do not consider the situations to be the same.
The only similarity here is the fact there was a wilderness search.
What I'm talking about is all the posts u made about how difficult it is to walk through a wilderness area.
I've walked both areas, I've hiked and biked around the water tower area countless times.
I've also hiked many spots out on 112, which I like bc there's so many less people than at the popular spots.
I totally agree about the popular hiking areas nor being as good bc of how many people r there. I hate hiking when the trail is crowded.

None of that changes the fact that the terrain Maura was dealing with would b difficult in the summer during the day, forget about night in February, it would be extremely difficult to get anywhere far, especially for someone who isn't that experienced.
She was 21 & liked to hike, not an expert by any means.
I also don't see what people getting lost in the army has anything to to with anything or what u meant by school groups. Nobody from plymouth ever got lost when I was there.

I respect that u have experience doing sar & I'm glad people like u exist, but your drastically under-exaggerating what Maura would have been facing that night by herself.

I don't see how any logical person can think that she walked deep into those woods that night

Lincolnite wrote:

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Jenkins I came here to help by offering my knowledge of the area after seeing you stating one lie after another about the area.
I was taught that a fool is someone that even when proven wrong will not admit to it. You are a fool.
I was also taught that arguing with a fool makes you just as foolish as the fool. I'm much to busy to argue with you and I really dislike it so I wish you well and I hope that the posters here can tell BS from the truth because lies won't help anyone especially this missing girl.

Umm, can u please show me one lie that I've said?
As far as i can tell the only lies told by anybody in the last few pages was the 2 people who said that Maura could've crosses the river easily.

That's a joke, completely ridiculous thing to say. Anybody who says that either doesn't know the area or is straight up lying, there's no other option.
Offering up your knowledge of the area? U didn't know what kinsman notch is and your describing the river in the summer, which is a completely different thing
Just bc u can easily walk across rocks in the summer does not mean you can walk across it in the winter.
The river doesn't even freeze solid, it has that clear, punchy river ice that is extremely brittle and not string enuf to support someone's weight

Even if I am wrong about a few minor details it doesn't change the fact that for Maura to get deep Into the woods it would've been extremely difficult.
I seriously question anybody who claims it would be easy, that's just wrong no matter how u slice it.

I agree that she had a strong drive to leave the accident, but that doesn't mean she would've went deep into the woods. Why go in those woods unless she was planning on suicide? There's about a thousand other places she could've hid without having to go deep into the woods.

Maura will not be found in the woods, at least not near the accident scene

Lincolnite wrote:

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I was taught that a fool is someone that even when proven wrong will not admit to it. You are a fool.
I was also taught that arguing with a fool makes you just as foolish as the fool.

Lincoln thanks for trying, but its an exercise in futility.:(

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I was watching disappeared last night and they showed a girl who they think had a panic attack or bad reaction to a drug and took off running. The girl was able to make her way three quarters of a mile into a thicket. While searching for her they found ten other bodies from a serial killer. Because of the bodies there were huge search efforts and it finally took two years to find her. This was in long island. And it took years to find her body with massive searches because of the huge media attention.

Police think the victim ran so deep into the thicket that she exhausted herself. After looking at her body their was no signs of foul play.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

I was watching disappeared last night and they showed a girl who they think had a panic attack or bad reaction to a drug and took off running. The girl was able to make her way three quarters of a mile into a thicket. While searching for her they found ten other bodies from a serial killer. Because of the bodies there were huge search efforts and it finally took two years to find her. This was in long island. And it took years to find her body with massive searches because of the huge media attention.
Police think the victim ran so deep into the thicket that she exhausted herself. After looking at her body their was no signs of foul play.

No signs of foul play.?

Fear naught, I'll get my Crack Staff on this case on the double.

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detective schtick wrote:

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No signs of foul play.?
Fear naught, I'll get my Crack Staff on this case on the double.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

My friend is at your service, Man

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

I was watching disappeared last night and they showed a girl who they think had a panic attack or bad reaction to a drug and took off running. The girl was able to make her way three quarters of a mile into a thicket. While searching for her they found ten other bodies from a serial killer. Because of the bodies there were huge search efforts and it finally took two years to find her. This was in long island. And it took years to find her body with massive searches because of the huge media attention.
Police think the victim ran so deep into the thicket that she exhausted herself. After looking at her body their was no signs of foul play.

This is very common with Alzheimer/dementia patients. They often orient to the past and seem to lack the ability to turn around. They also will very often NOT answer you when you call for them. They are repeatedly found stuck in briars or walk to exhaustion or until they are too entangled to move and die where they are stuck.

You cannot depend on voice to check for these people. You must physically examine any location they could get into regardless of how improbable it might seem to you.

Bill