Maura Murray

Frostman wrote:

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Thank you Citi, I couldn't find any local, contractually committed Triple A operators on any of my searches. The reason for my pondering is because the AAA card was apparently left in the Saturn. If you were going to walk down the road with the intent on securing a cell signal to call for a tow then you'd need to have your card in hand in order to recite the membership # for the AAA operator.
Given the short time frame in which Maura disappeared I'm trying to conjure up a realistic scenario -- a plausible conversation if a second motorist (aka perpetrator) had stopped and offered “help”.
If Maura was at that time outside the Saturn and someone offered assistance (or a lift) she might have again replied that she had or was planning to contact AAA. Maybe a local (or somebody who was locally knowledgeable), who was aware that the nearest AAA affiliate was in St. Johnsbury or Littleton, might have been able to convince her to go with him to pick up his tow truck. If she was indeed shivering from the cold it might have seemed like a possible solution.
I am, however, 100% convinced that Maura wouldn't have gotten into a vehicle with just anyone. But if someone said, hop in... my wife, mother-in-law, wee granny has a tow truck and we'll have you back here in a jiffy... perhaps, at the time, that might have seemed to be an agreeable option. And if you're stuck deep in the North Country on a winter’s eve and a charmer with MA plates haps along with a seemingly safe and viable local option, you might succumb and get into his vehicle.
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LaVoies was a AAA service center/tow truck at the time of Maura's disappearance.

Well it's obvious someone knows; someone has to. & it's most likely that it's a secret among a very select few locals, I would say very few people know, if it's even more than one.

I think most of the posters on here posting like that r in denial. They're in denial as whether something like this could happen in their backyard, or their tranquil vacation spot. They just don't want to believe something like this could happen.

citigirl wrote:

GCSD log-AT 1943, HANOVER DISP CALLED TO ADV GOT A 911 CALL FOR US; 911 ADVISED ALL CIRUITS BUSY; IS FOR 10-25.

so?

findmaura wrote:

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my daughter kept a seperate bank account for her school to deposit student loan funds into...those funds dispurse mid Jan..Its a substantial amount all at once.

That's a interesting point findmaura, what about her student loans refund?
UMass def does not get their refunds in the middle of January, more towards the middle of February. Its actually really annoying bc these refund checks r what the students use to pay for their rent, & they're never there for the beginnin of feb when they're needed for rent.
Interestingly enough I would say that year the 9th was probably the first possible day that they would b paid out. It would either be the 9th, the week of the 9th, or the following week.

Maura was technically a junior right? That means she'd b looking at a 4-4500 refund check that year(it goes up by about 500 every yr).
So the question is: did she get paid out her refund? Did she have another bank acct it could have been deposited in?
& if she didnt get paid out(I don't believe she would've had the $ yet at that point); why not wait for it if she was planning on running away?
This right here would be evidence that would directly speak to what was going on.
If she got paid out and left the first day the she got the money, then id say she was planning on running away.
But if she didn't wait to get paid out, & only had the 280; then I'd say theres no way she was planning on running, if your gonna start a new life why not just wait another week and get your 4500$??Sure would make things a lot easier.

But them again, we aren't entirely sure how she paid for college. If her family paid for it & she just got a scholarship to help then she wouldn't be looking at a big refund. Refund checks r from student loans. Does anyone know if she had student loans or not?

I think what citi was trying to show was that all circuits of 911 were busy when the sbd was trying to call.

Which doesn't match the logs.
Mauras accident was the first thing in the logs in over an hour.
But how could that be? There's so many people calling 911 that te circuits were busy for about 10 mins, he actually had to call a dispatch to get through, but none of those calls show up in the log?

It's looking more and more obvious that the log was doctored, or at least we aren't seeing everything that was originally in the logs.

Damn, I would love to see what the real logs look like.
I wonder if the first accident would be found there, something like "car slid off the road" "party left in private vehicle"

Idk, but that gap for over an hour before her call is in there just doesnt seem right. & we have some evidence showing it is not correct.

Jenkins wrote:

I think what citi was trying to show was that all circuits of 911 were busy when the sbd was trying to call.
Which doesn't match the logs.
Mauras accident was the first thing in the logs in over an hour.
But how could that be? There's so many people calling 911 that te circuits were busy for about 10 mins, he actually had to call a dispatch to get through, but none of those calls show up in the log?
It's looking more and more obvious that the log was doctored, or at least we aren't seeing everything that was originally in the logs.
Damn, I would love to see what the real logs look like.
I wonder if the first accident would be found there, something like "car slid off the road" "party left in private vehicle"
Idk, but that gap for over an hour before her call is in there just doesnt seem right. & we have some evidence showing it is not correct.

Totally clueless as to how the PSAP system in NH works, aren't you? Well you can keep spouting off about things you clearly don't have a clue about, making things up to fit your preconceived notions, or find the information. Its been posted several times. But it's more fun to make things up, isn't it?

Bill

I have many question?
On Feb 6 Maura was at work and around 1 am she recieved a telephone call.
That caused her to be upset. Who called and what was the reason?
Did she have a room mate?
Did the police fined all the booze in her car that she had bought earlier besides the wine. Also did her car seat match the position that she normally would have sat in. like the head rest?
Did they fine the art that she took down in her dorm room in her car?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Totally clueless as to how the PSAP system in NH works, aren't you? Well you can keep spouting off about things you clearly don't have a clue about, making things up to fit your preconceived notions, or find the information. Its been posted several times. But it's more fun to make things up, isn't it?
Bill

Well as a matter of fact I really don't know exactly how the system for recording 911 calls works. Maybe u could fill us in as to how there's such a gap in the logs, yet there was so many calls coming in that the lines were busy when the sbd called.

& actually I've never made anything up to fit a preconceived notion, I let the evidence lead me in my theories. I don't completely discount any and all pieces of evidence or witness statements that don't fit in with my preconceived notions.

As a matter of fact, I see you do this constantly, it's completely ridiculous that u would accuse anyone of doing this. Any piece of evidence that doesnt point to what u think u completely throw out the window, sometimes even making things up, such as: how many houses u own.
You r the absolute last person that should accuse someone of doing this, that's all u do, & I think anyone with an open mind reading this can see it, so I don't really worry about what u have to say

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Well as a matter of fact I really don't know exactly how the system for recording 911 calls works. Maybe u could fill us in as to how there's such a gap in the logs, yet there was so many calls coming in that the lines were busy when the sbd called.
& actually I've never made anything up to fit a preconceived notion, I let the evidence lead me in my theories. I don't completely discount any and all pieces of evidence or witness statements that don't fit in with my preconceived notions.
As a matter of fact, I see you do this constantly, it's completely ridiculous that u would accuse anyone of doing this. Any piece of evidence that doesnt point to what u think u completely throw out the window, sometimes even making things up, such as: how many houses u own.
You r the absolute last person that should accuse someone of doing this, that's all u do, & I think anyone with an open mind reading this can see it, so I don't really worry about what u have to say

I am sure your right. I wonder what people with open minds do think? Except, my notions though, aren't preconceived. They are the result of eight years of looking at this case. Sorting through an awful lot of bullshit to get to what is actually known. And not accepting every ridiculous fantasy that someone throws out. Looking at everything with a critical eye. Questioning, not just joining in with whatever fantasy that someone wants to throw out. You really need to work on your critical thought process. You are working off of things you accept as fact but don't even know if it happened. Apply some critical thinking. Start with what is basic in the case. Then move outwards from there. You will need to ask many more questions and really make fewer statements, because in the long run, you will look much less foolish.

Sorry. That's it for now. Maybe later tonight I might be back. Doing that should fill at least a week, though, I doubt you'll do it.

Bill

Jenkins wrote:

Well it's obvious someone knows; someone has to. & it's most likely that it's a secret among a very select few locals, I would say very few people know, if it's even more than one.
I think most of the posters on here posting like that r in denial. They're in denial as whether something like this could happen in their backyard, or their tranquil vacation spot. They just don't want to believe something like this could happen.

Jenkins remember to go back to Mrs smiths comments.I think that says it all. Theyhave individuals of interest and they are local that most folks would know. Hello ? maybe no t a 100% but there must be some evidence that points that way or that wouldn't have stood up in the private meeting that took place.

Paul wrote:

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pay attention and you might just get it.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I am sure your right. I wonder what people with open minds do think? Except, my notions though, aren't preconceived. They are the result of eight years of looking at this case. Sorting through an awful lot of bullshit to get to what is actually known. And not accepting every ridiculous fantasy that someone throws out. Looking at everything with a critical eye. Questioning, not just joining in with whatever fantasy that someone wants to throw out. You really need to work on your critical thought process. You are working off of things you accept as fact but don't even know if it happened. Apply some critical thinking. Start with what is basic in the case. Then move outwards from there. You will need to ask many more questions and really make fewer statements, because in the long run, you will look much less foolish.
Sorry. That's it for now. Maybe later tonight I might be back. Doing that should fill at least a week, though, I doubt you'll do it.
Bill

Bill- I really think most have an open mind (I do) I think we welcome good back and forth talk just don't trash each other is all. Some that don't have any opinion on this forum just come and trash yet have no input and that is what is just not right.

"Ms. Smith: I'm concerned about that, because, again, this is, to the extent this is a small community, the people know... the people, the identity of those people is fairly well known."

been put out there before but this is fact

thay had to show to the court that this had leggs to it!! In order not to release info to the public.g Proof had to have been shown to back up the statements.

I bet it was a local and that is my opinion-or it was someone from mass,RI or Ny as thos are the ones with second homes in that area. JMO My guess local due to the time frame of things-

L4M already said she came to her second home on weekends and sometimes with or without her husband- The area is secluded and not a tourist area but an area that second homeowners own such as WTH etc--- It is not an area with a big through way for non locals. Fact!

If it was not a Local then it was someone That owned property in Mountain lakes or nearby because it is not a cut through. ( fact)

wth do you consider yourself a NH Local or local to haverhill NH even though you have three houses? two in nh and one in CT ? Not Blaming you at all but trying to get the def of a Local ?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I am sure your right. I wonder what people with open minds do think? Except, my notions though, aren't preconceived. They are the result of eight years of looking at this case. Sorting through an awful lot of bullshit to get to what is actually known. And not accepting every ridiculous fantasy that someone throws out. Looking at everything with a critical eye. Questioning, not just joining in with whatever fantasy that someone wants to throw out. You really need to work on your critical thought process. You are working off of things you accept as fact but don't even know if it happened. Apply some critical thinking. Start with what is basic in the case. Then move outwards from there. You will need to ask many more questions and really make fewer statements, because in the long run, you will look much less foolish.
Sorry. That's it for now. Maybe later tonight I might be back. Doing that should fill at least a week, though, I doubt you'll do it.
Bill

Bill come on dude, your the last person in the world who should b talking about someone else's critical thinking skills; what's that saying about glass houses again?

It's funny bc LE thinks a crime took place, the states attorney does as well, the Murray family pi's do & the Nh league of investigators do as well which is 10 retired police investigators.

So all these professionals r wrong and your right? Right?

It wasn't some random Internet poster who put oath the theory that there was 2 accidents that night, that was the league of investigators.
They must have a damn good reason to say such a thing.
For a while on the orig mm site I was talkin about the damage to the Saturn, & how it was obviously inconsistent with hitting a snowbank or a tree. A little while after that they brought in an accident reconstructionist & he confirmed what I & a lot of other people had long suspected, that there was no way in hell a tree or a snowbank caused that damage above her headlight.
John Kelly(weeper) is an investigator w a resume about as good as it can possibly b in Nh.
He's the one that said it's obvious the sbd knew much more than he was saying & was definitely Lying about a few things at least. He also said that the sbd was probably too scared to tell te truth.

So no, these aren't wild conspiracy theories put forth by anonymous Internet posters who don't know any facts. He ran his own investigation & interviewed the sbd & came to these conclusions.

Actually it's anonymous Internet posters who put forthrhe theory that she just walked into the woods and died. Not one person in authority, who has worked this case, has come to that conclusion or said anything like that.

So I guess all of these people need to work on their critical thinking skills?
Just bc u dont want it to b, doesn't mean it's not. U need to take your head out of the sand, a good start would b to admit that a crime like this could take place

Jenkins - someone is being covered for locally- obvious isn't it? Just look at he feedack and coming out out of the woodwork like you say and those that hang and give no feedback but just bash when you mention Local or LE.