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Jenkins4Real wrote:

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wtf? u talk trash on me but u go fishin w ur dog, gun, coffee in ur pjs. its def highly suspicus u do that n think its funny when we're all here trying to find a missing girl. I find it very odd that u dont take ur cell phone fishin. whats up w that? if ur dog goes bustin thru the flat surface of that water u think itz not ur prob but what if it was a scube diver coming up 2 ask permission to serch ur lake? ur dog cant no if itz a boy scout or el qaida attack.

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Jenkins wrote:

I dont see how anybody can read what was said in court and not think a crime happened.
They say several things that make me think this: first of all they say they have information indicating that a crime may have taken place. But I guess even statement can be considered a little
Ambiguous.
After that they describe specific suspects and evidence. They say the the investigation is ongoing as to these individuals & that the persons r members of a small community and "the identity of these individuals I'd fairly well known"
So they clearly have someone in their sights, I suspect that until they find her body they won't be able to convict anyone.
Then they describe a piece o evidence they have: they classify it as a one-party intercept, which seems like a strange piece of evidence for a case like this. A one party intercept? It sounds to me like they have a suspect & they sent somebody the suspect knows in wearing a wiire trying to get this person to talk about the crime, maybe an attempt to get probable cause for a search warrant? I'm trying to think of way else this could possibly be, they describe it as "one of a kind" evidence that if they even describe it they will reveal what the evidence is.
So clearly the states attorney and Lt Landry believe a murder took place, there's no other way of interpreting it. Just the fact that strezlin is involved at all speaks volumes, he is a homicide prosecutor. If they had nothing indicating she was killed I doubt he would be very interested here. I suspect they have absolutely nothing to suggest she's in the woods, quite the contrary actually.
If they for one second thought actually thought she was in the woods, then why keep anything fr Fred? That would make things so much easier for them. Just present something that points to her being lost in the woods and explain how difficult it can be to find someone once they're lost in the woods.
The nhsp & the saag office obviously think she was murdered, but I guess they're probably just falling victim to that backwards logic too?

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Jenkins wrote:

I dont see how anybody can read what was said in court and not think a crime happened.
They say several things that make me think this: first of all they say they have information indicating that a crime may have taken place. But I guess even statement can be considered a little
Ambiguous.
After that they describe specific suspects and evidence. They say the the investigation is ongoing as to these individuals & that the persons r members of a small community and "the identity of these individuals I'd fairly well known"
So they clearly have someone in their sights, I suspect that until they find her body they won't be able to convict anyone.
Then they describe a piece o evidence they have: they classify it as a one-party intercept, which seems like a strange piece of evidence for a case like this. A one party intercept? It sounds to me like they have a suspect & they sent somebody the suspect knows in wearing a wiire trying to get this person to talk about the crime, maybe an attempt to get probable cause for a search warrant? I'm trying to think of way else this could possibly be, they describe it as "one of a kind" evidence that if they even describe it they will reveal what the evidence is.
So clearly the states attorney and Lt Landry believe a murder took place, there's no other way of interpreting it. Just the fact that strezlin is involved at all speaks volumes, he is a homicide prosecutor. If they had nothing indicating she was killed I doubt he would be very interested here. I suspect they have absolutely nothing to suggest she's in the woods, quite the contrary actually.
If they for one second thought actually thought she was in the woods, then why keep anything fr Fred? That would make things so much easier for them. Just present something that points to her being lost in the woods and explain how difficult it can be to find someone once they're lost in the woods.
The nhsp & the saag office obviously think she was murdered, but I guess they're probably just falling victim to that backwards logic too?

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Jenkins wrote:

What does everyone else think about Fred referring to her bf having good luck buying a car in noho?
He must b talking about a different bf, right? Does anyone know if Billy ever lived out western mass or even in mass?

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hannah_b wrote:

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I think it was a slip of the tongue on Fred´s part, and that he was indeed referring to another boyfriend. To my knowledge Billy never lived in MA. They met at WP and he went straight from WP to military service.

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Observer1984 wrote:

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And there it is.

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amy researches wrote:

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Observer1984, welcome to Hell.:-) You've picked up on many things I've missed. I do like Bill; he's a funny guy.
I also agree with Snowy's assessment you quoted above, based on things I've been told by numerous sources who witnessed what went on at the first MM forum and in NH. The second MMM forum is still online, or was a few weeks ago when someone sent the link to me. Some of the BS carried over to that second forum, as well at to Topix, it seems.
Information was not just withheld from the public - the public was outright manipulated. I am told people were not allowed to ask questions about Maura's past on the forums run by the family, and that posters were kicked off for expressing opinions the family didn't like. Others were harassed away, I'm told. If this is true, and I believe it is, then it sure does sound like they are hiding something or protecting someone; maybe they're not, but that's the impression this kind of behavior gives me.
I don't share the undying respect for Renner's journalistic integrity that others do, but I respect that he has done a good job in helping to bring some of the truth about Maura's past to light. I believe her past does matter, because it could have been someone she knew who harmed her. It's not our right to know her past, but it's also a strange game to play with people who are trying to help. They have insulted the NH community as a whole - including locals like Wowzer who could have provided valuable assistance and information - and accused people like the bus driver without proof. Also wrong. I agree with those who stated that they're happy they don't live there. Fortunately for me, I don't.
Please understand, I have nothing personally against Maura's family. They are strangers to me. Anyone who loses a family member has my sympathies. I just don't understand why they've conducted themselves in the way they have. It isn't our job to try to understand them, I suppose. Just as it's not our job to find Maura. Still, many have offered to help in various ways. Because we do care.
I don't hold Maura personally responsible for the proverbial "sins" of her family and people like Shack. Maura deserves to be found. If she was killed, she deserves justice just like everybody else.
But I think it's important not to disregard the history here, because at the very least it does help explain why certain posters who have been here so long are so angry.
I hope one day the FBI will step in, or that LE will get their man or find their answers. For the sake of everyone who has suffered through this mess, as well as for the sake of closure for the family.
I'm sure someone will come along behind me to call me crazy, throw peanuts, accuse me of being in a conspiracy, create a character to mock me with, or whatever. LOL. Have at it.

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hannah_b wrote:

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Amy, aren´t you referring to Adv´s first forum, the third forum, still avaialable for perusal? I belive parts of the second MMM forum can still be found using the wayback machine, but it isn´t available in it´s entirety.
And don´t be sorry whenever you get peanuts, unlit lightbulbs and such, at least somebody cares enough about what you´re posting to judge your post...

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amy researches wrote:

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Jenkins, I've said most of this myself. With the exception of the wire tap thing, which I think you could be misinterpreting. I otherwise agree with your post. When I stated my similar opinion, I also asked for feedback from FrmLE. His reply was this:
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FrmLE to me:
"You are forming an opinion based on what you percieve to be an unusual occurance, the court proceedings. When in fact, nothing about that is unusual at all. It is completely standard operating procedure for all Law Enforcement agencies to not release case files of cases that are considered to be "OPEN".
What was unusual here is the lengths that Fred Murray went to try to obtain the files. What the State did was simply protect the integrity of the case, since there is no body it is considered open. There was a very real concern that this was a slippery slope, if the State lost this case then we would lose the ability to protect active case files from being released.
That would be very bad for a million reasons. Do not read too much into those Court proceedings.
As far as the CCU being involved, I will repeat, it is an open case. There is no body, we don't know what happened for sure, therefore it is still active.
That's all."
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I'm not a lawyer, so I can't comment much further on this. I respect FrmLE's opinion as more educated than mine. His point about "There was a very real concern that this was a slippery slope, if the State lost this case then we would lose the ability to protect active case files from being released" is a good one - one that I hadn't considered. I still feel that all of what was said in those proceedings can't just be completely made up. It had to be based on something - POIs they were looking into at that time, etc. The court docs don't prove a murder took place, but my opinion remains that more has taken place than this being written off by LE as someone who probably died in the woods.

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A Green Tree wrote:

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That's fine. You can think and believe what you want. It doesn't mean anyone or everyone else has to agree with you.
You can drill down from any quoted thought or sentence or paragraph and go on to make your perfect scenario. It won't make you right, and I won't believe you.
I believe it is a problem when someone wants to take pieces of information away from a real investigation because they think they are smarter than the investigators, and can get to the finish line sooner. If it's not your profession and you haven't been trained to properly conduct an investigation then it's really none of your business. You can do more harm than good.
If you are a family member of a missing or murdered person, it may be your business but it still doesn't make it any wiser to interfere with an investigation. Because Fred was so hostile to the authorities it doesn't make him look good in the eyes of the public.
Another level down would be the guy sitting at the keyboard in the trailer park who may be high or whatever and is spouting off about the clues he's put together. He has a right to do it, but if it doesn't make sense to me, I'm not going to believe it.

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amy researches wrote:

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But I think it's important not to disregard the history here, because at the very least it does help explain why certain posters who have been here so long are so angry.

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Jenkins wrote:

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Please don't believe me..if u want to keep your head in the sand that's your perogitive.
I don't see anybody on here claiming to be smarter than the investigators, quite the opposite really. The investigators have poisons specific evidence speaking to the crime, we do not.
The investigators state they believe a crime took place; as far as I can tell the only people who believe they're smarter than the investigators r the people who keep trying to say Maura just got lost in the woods, posters like bill & frmLE. Ate these the people your talking about? If not your point really makes no sense.

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Jenkins wrote:

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Please don't believe me..if u want to keep your head in the sand that's your perogitive.
I don't see anybody on here claiming to be smarter than the investigators, quite the opposite really. The investigators have poisons specific evidence speaking to the crime, we do not.
The investigators state they believe a crime took place; as far as I can tell the only people who believe they're smarter than the investigators r the people who keep trying to say Maura just got lost in the woods, posters like bill & frmLE. Ate these the people your talking about? If not your point really makes no sense.

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Jenkins wrote:

Can somebody please tell me what damage has EVER been caused to anybody by posts on this forum? This is a fantasy conjured up by a few people who obviously have some sort of delusion that topix is more important than it really is.

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Northwestern DA wrote:

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Jenkins, congratulations, excellent job. Much appreciated that you trashed a poster who's been gone 2 months in order to lure him back into the discussion so he could be trashed some more and hopefully go over the line.
Don't worry, if he didn't flip out and cross the line this time we'll keep on trying. At least by cross-forum posting, we connected his real name with his creepy personality. It's on the internet forever. Totally forever. He deserves it. Thanks to people like you and "findmauramurray," real people in the real world hate him and won't have anything to do with him.
After he applies for a job, HR does an internet search and connects his name with trash talk and he doesn't ever get hired. Which is wicked funny because he never knows why he can't get a job. He can't even make new friends because after they meet him for the first time they go home and just Google him and then want nothing to do with him.
Eventually he'll be totally isolated and succumb to having no friends and no money and then that'll be the end of him. We'll get justice one way or the other, sooner or later, by his hand or ours, but sometimes it's fun to really drag it out.
Good work, Jenkins.
Oh, about SBD. Same deal. He couldn't get a promotion or a second job because of the rumors about him. He didn't lose his job but some parents got nervous, which bothered him a lot. And he was the butt of a busload of jokes in Woodsville for years. Still is. Too thin skinned. Hey, trash get what they deserve. SBD never looked like a model citizen anyway, if you know what I mean. Healy even called him a shithead to the media. Healy's good, one of us, really makes a guy look like dirt, you know? Even after he's dead.

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A Green Tree wrote:

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I am not sure there is anger as much as there are divided loyalties. The situation becomes further divided and insurmountable when new voices and challenges are added to an existing forum.
I like chicken salad prepared with dry mustard, dill, cayenne, crasins and finely chopped bermuda onion, and served on a bed of spinach with apple and cheddar cheese. If you or someone else likes your chicken salad prepared differently, or you don't like it at all, then I hope you won't be planning to come to my backyard to kick my ass around because we disagree.

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Northwestern DA wrote:

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Jenkins, congratulations, excellent job. Much appreciated that you trashed a poster who's been gone 2 months in order to lure him back into the discussion so he could be trashed some more and hopefully go over the line.
Don't worry, if he didn't flip out and cross the line this time we'll keep on trying. At least by cross-forum posting, we connected his real name with his creepy personality. It's on the internet forever. Totally forever. He deserves it. Thanks to people like you and "findmauramurray," real people in the real world hate him and won't have anything to do with him.
After he applies for a job, HR does an internet search and connects his name with trash talk and he doesn't ever get hired. Which is wicked funny because he never knows why he can't get a job. He can't even make new friends because after they meet him for the first time they go home and just Google him and then want nothing to do with him.
Eventually he'll be totally isolated and succumb to having no friends and no money and then that'll be the end of him. We'll get justice one way or the other, sooner or later, by his hand or ours, but sometimes it's fun to really drag it out.
Good work, Jenkins.
Oh, about SBD. Same deal. He couldn't get a promotion or a second job because of the rumors about him. He didn't lose his job but some parents got nervous, which bothered him a lot. And he was the butt of a busload of jokes in Woodsville for years. Still is. Too thin skinned. Hey, trash get what they deserve. SBD never looked like a model citizen anyway, if you know what I mean. Healy even called him a shithead to the media. Healy's good, one of us, really makes a guy look like dirt, you know? Even after he's dead.