Maura Murray

findmaura wrote:

Was the area where the duct tape,hair&clothing ever searched?This seems further than any searches I've heard of.Also,could this be evidence of "Mauras Last known location" as mentioned in court proceedings..only the poster Matthew,LE&the perp would know the exact location of these items.Maybe the investigators are being tightlipped about these items&test results for conviction later?

I think that Matthew found the duct tape, hair and etc. only a couple years ago, whereas the court case was a while back, so I don't believe that Matthew's find could the the "Maura's last known location" referred to in the court case.

I can't believe they waited 4 days to go collect the clothing with the duct tape and hair..& it had snowed in the meantime. That had to be someone's hair in the duct tape..that little area could have had much more trace forensic evidence but they will never know if it did because it snowed making it nearly impossible to find trace evidence.

One thing though is I tend to think that they didn't rush there because they knew it wasn't maura's hair in the duct tape. IMO this is another indication that they have a good idea of what happened to Maura and where she probably is. It's my opinion that they haven't been able to obtain the proper search warrants.

In court they mentioned evidence they classified as a one-party intercept. To me It appears they were trying to obtain a search warrant. There's some kid who's been heard by people in the drug scene up there bragging about being the one responsible. It's been said that he poured a concrete floor at his family's business in the days following her disappearance. It is very unusual for people to pour concrete in February in Nh, you never see people pouring concrete up there in winter. Concrete doesn't cure right when it's cold which causes it to crack, it takes forever to dry and it's generally just a pain in the ass and not the right time to do it. You don't want to be pouring conference when it's below freezing unless you absolutely have to.
It's been said by locals I've talked to that the cops have requested a search warrant to run a ground penetrating radar over this concrete floor and were denied.
It looks to me, & this is obviously just opinion, like they tried to get the guy on tape bragging about the crime to use for PC. They prob busted some kid he knows for drugs and got him to wear a wire. I'd bet he got the guy to talk about getting "that girl", or something like that which the judge probably didnt think was specific enough to the crime to constitute PC.

A lot of people up there think this guy is responsible & they say the cops know he is and they think Maura is on his property but they can't search it. Things that were Said in court mirror this: "the investigation has focused on individuals" "the individuals are member of a small community" "the identity of these individuals is rather well known in the community"
This right now is clearly just my opinion but I get the sense that rumor just might be true more or less. I feel like the cops have something more than just rumor to make them think this, like a witness or some piece of evidence. if it's true that the guy really poured a new concrete floor in the days following her dissapearance I could see them being fairly confident she is under that floor..
Maybe the sbd told smith something completely different and was just lying to the media when he told all his stories..this could very well be the reason they only searched east. if by Wednesday she still wasn't found the sbd would know that guy probably killed her and it was gonna take some time for LE to prove it.. I could see the sbd being a little scared and lying to the media if that was the case; it's not a crime to lie to news people.

last paragraph "only searched East" must be a typo.
And, when I first heard of Maura it was mentioned to me by a local born and raised in Haverhill that is that Benton.......... concrete should be considered...I wrote it in the first Forum....but, was just not considered because I was just thought of as
"May to October" folk...which I am.

Granny M wrote:

I came here to chit chat and all I hear is arguing and talk that has nothing to do with the missing girl. There are a few good folks here with nice things to say but SRSLYWTH what is wrong with you boy.
love GrannyM

It's soooo true, there are people here who's whole entire purpose of being here is to cause arguments and derail the conversation.
There seems to be 2 main methods they use; the first is to use personal attacks and sometimes outright mean things to start fights with people and cause arguments in general. I admittedly fall for this all the time. I'm working on ignoring them but I keep getting sucked into the trap stupidly. It really annoys me when people just call a post stupid, but don't offer up any fact or even any sort of explanation why it's stupid. If a post is so stupid and crazy it should be all the more easy to prove it wrong. If I make a stupid post and someone disproves it I will gladly admit it like I have many times before, but to just call it stupid means nothing, all it does is start arguments that move the conversation backwards, not forwards.
The other tactic they use is to get everyone bogged down in details that really don't matter. I unfortunately have fallen for this one big time too. Perfect example was the ridiculous argument over whether or not Maura could've crossed the river or not. You got a couple people actually trying to say it would have been easy for her to cross the river. That is obviously ridiculous to anyone that knows this river & isn't lying about it. The river is like 15-25' wide, flows pretty fast and doesn't freeze solid in most places. To say she would have, or even could have crossed this by herself in the middle of the night in February is just straight up crazy talk. But then you have people making posts saying it's easy for some reason and I end up debating them on it in a bunch of posts over a few days. That's just bogging down the conversation with inconsequential details. There is just absolutely no way she crossed the river, it's not even an option. So I was completely wasting my time debating that for those few days.
They do this with all kinds of details & it is a very effective way of bogging down the conversation. Another Good example is the argument over whether they should have searched east. Obviously they should have sent one of the 4 cars that searched west east. People were actually trying to argue that they shoudnt have searched east because of resources, which is just plain ridiculous. The only reason they shouldn't habe searched east was if there was a witness that saw her get in a car and go west. This was an argument for days between a lot of people because it is so obviously ridiculous, again very effective way to derail the conversation.

Shack wrote:

last paragraph "only searched East" must be a typo.
And, when I first heard of Maura it was mentioned to me by a local born and raised in Haverhill that is that Benton.......... concrete should be considered...I wrote it in the first Forum....but, was just not considered because I was just thought of as
"May to October" folk...which I am.

Yup, most def a typo..thanks shack..damn topix and it's lack of an edit button.

What does the line "havehill that is that Benton" that u just wrote mean? I think you got a typo too.

Yes any concrete that was poured in the days/weeks after she dissapeared should certainly be considered, I can tell you for a fact that there is very little concrete poured in the north country in February..it would be rather easy to figure out who poured concrete shortly after she disappeared as there would only be a few max. just pouring concrete in the niddle of February is obviously not by itself probable cause but if one of those people has also been heard bragging about the crime then you have to take a serious look at this person.

It's also been said that this person is from a rather prominent family in Haverhill that owns on of the biggest business in the area. That could potentially be the kind of person who would intimidate the sbd into lying about what he saw. It's very possible that what the sbd told smith on scene that night was completely different than what he told the media. He was obviously lying about certain things when he spoke to the media..his story changed on major details..but did he lie to the cops too or did he tell them what he really saw that night? I really have no idea but I feel like he did tell smith something different and that was the reason they only searched west, but that's purely speculation.

SRSLYWTH wrote:

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Ugli ppl dont dsrv ridz.

I forgot about beagle and his method of derailing the conversation. His method is to straight up make stupid jokes about the dissapearance which is in extremely poor taste but more than that it makes people on the forum look crazy.

If you were just some random person who's never read about mm and you first found the forum last week when beagle was doing "detective shtick" "stingrayPI" "Phoebe prince" "jenkins4real" and maybe a couple others you wouldve thought the whole forum was a bunch of mental patients. It's ridiculous but it probably is a pretty effective way to keep new people from joining in on the conversation. If you first looked at the forum then you would've been like wtf is going on here? & it works too bc people, me included, actually respond to this crap. He'll say things like"ugly people don't deserve rides" to stir up a response. Obviously I didn't say anything like that, all i said is that a beautiful young girl is the one person on the side of the road that anybody would give a ride to, nobody is scared of a cute little girl. All he's trying to do is elicit a response. The only reason he was posting under the name "Phoebe Prince" and saying those disgusting, hideous things was to try to elicit am angry resonse from me. There could be no other reason fkr Posting under that name and asking me if I wanna dance with the dead...think about how wrong and disgusting that is.

It's clear beagle needs serious psychological help, he obviously has some sort of real mental condition, you can tell just by reading his posts. if he didnt post those videos on YouTube I'd actually feel sorry for the guy.

yes, should have read "raised in Haverhill" comma..etc

I always come on topix on my iPhone and never noticed there was an option to view the full site on the way bottom of the page...

I never realized there was a whole rating system system, that's hilarious, I finally know what everyone's talking about when they say peanuts & lightbulbs lol.

But does my location actually say Dayton,oh?? What's up with that? Is that a default setting or something? I'm never in Ohio, I'm in new Hampshire most of the time and western mass the rest of the time.
Wonder how it's coming up with Dayton, OH... Does anybody know? It must be because I post from my iPhone but still, Ohio?
But I guess now I see how people are talking about locations, I had no idea you can see peoples locations.

Shack wrote:

yes, should have read "raised in Haverhill" comma..etc

Poster Billwood talks about a concrete company in Haverhill that was pouring concrete in Feb. He says the Le tried to search the property and they would not let them.

Jenkins wrote:

I can't believe they waited 4 days to go collect the clothing with the duct tape and hair..& it had snowed in the meantime. That had to be someone's hair in the duct tape..that little area could have had much more trace forensic evidence but they will never know if it did because it snowed making it nearly impossible to find trace evidence.
One thing though is I tend to think that they didn't rush there because they knew it wasn't maura's hair in the duct tape. IMO this is another indication that they have a good idea of what happened to Maura and where she probably is. It's my opinion that they haven't been able to obtain the proper search warrants.
In court they mentioned evidence they classified as a one-party intercept. To me It appears they were trying to obtain a search warrant. There's some kid who's been heard by people in the drug scene up there bragging about being the one responsible. It's been said that he poured a concrete floor at his family's business in the days following her disappearance. It is very unusual for people to pour concrete in February in Nh, you never see people pouring concrete up there in winter. Concrete doesn't cure right when it's cold which causes it to crack, it takes forever to dry and it's generally just a pain in the ass and not the right time to do it. You don't want to be pouring conference when it's below freezing unless you absolutely have to.
It's been said by locals I've talked to that the cops have requested a search warrant to run a ground penetrating radar over this concrete floor and were denied.
It looks to me, & this is obviously just opinion, like they tried to get the guy on tape bragging about the crime to use for PC. They prob busted some kid he knows for drugs and got him to wear a wire. I'd bet he got the guy to talk about getting "that girl", or something like that which the judge probably didnt think was specific enough to the crime to constitute PC.
A lot of people up there think this guy is responsible & they say the cops know he is and they think Maura is on his property but they can't search it. Things that were Said in court mirror this: "the investigation has focused on individuals" "the individuals are member of a small community" "the identity of these individuals is rather well known in the community"
This right now is clearly just my opinion but I get the sense that rumor just might be true more or less. I feel like the cops have something more than just rumor to make them think this, like a witness or some piece of evidence. if it's true that the guy really poured a new concrete floor in the days following her dissapearance I could see them being fairly confident she is under that floor..
Maybe the sbd told smith something completely different and was just lying to the media when he told all his stories..this could very well be the reason they only searched east. if by Wednesday she still wasn't found the sbd would know that guy probably killed her and it was gonna take some time for LE to prove it.. I could see the sbd being a little scared and lying to the media if that was the case; it's not a crime to lie to news people.

This is a big mystery and you are sooooo smart. I knw you will find dthe truth if I just come here every day because you know all everything and who is the lier. I am praying for you to find the answer.

Jenkins wrote:

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I forgot about beagle and his method of derailing the conversation. His method is to straight up make stupid jokes about the dissapearance which is in extremely poor taste but more than that it makes people on the forum look crazy.
If you were just some random person who's never read about mm and you first found the forum last week when beagle was doing "detective shtick" "stingrayPI" "Phoebe prince" "jenkins4real" and maybe a couple others you wouldve thought the whole forum was a bunch of mental patients. It's ridiculous but it probably is a pretty effective way to keep new people from joining in on the conversation. If you first looked at the forum then you would've been like wtf is going on here? & it works too bc people, me included, actually respond to this crap. He'll say things like"ugly people don't deserve rides" to stir up a response. Obviously I didn't say anything like that, all i said is that a beautiful young girl is the one person on the side of the road that anybody would give a ride to, nobody is scared of a cute little girl. All he's trying to do is elicit a response. The only reason he was posting under the name "Phoebe Prince" and saying those disgusting, hideous things was to try to elicit am angry resonse from me. There could be no other reason fkr Posting under that name and asking me if I wanna dance with the dead...think about how wrong and disgusting that is.
It's clear beagle needs serious psychological help, he obviously has some sort of real mental condition, you can tell just by reading his posts. if he didnt post those videos on YouTube I'd actually feel sorry for the guy.

SSSRSLY why do you make those mean faces at me I did'not do nothing wrong to you. You said you have to b beautiful and cute to get a ride and i said you don't like ugli people to get a ride bcause u said so. How old is the cute little girl? Plz b nice 2 me bcause I just wanna help you back.

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Jenkins wrote:

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I forgot about beagle and his method of derailing the conversation. His method is to straight up make stupid jokes about the dissapearance which is in extremely poor taste but more than that it makes people on the forum look crazy.
If you were just some random person who's never read about mm and you first found the forum last week when beagle was doing "detective shtick" "stingrayPI" "Phoebe prince" "jenkins4real" and maybe a couple others you wouldve thought the whole forum was a bunch of mental patients. It's ridiculous but it probably is a pretty effective way to keep new people from joining in on the conversation. If you first looked at the forum then you would've been like wtf is going on here? & it works too bc people, me included, actually respond to this crap. He'll say things like"ugly people don't deserve rides" to stir up a response. Obviously I didn't say anything like that, all i said is that a beautiful young girl is the one person on the side of the road that anybody would give a ride to, nobody is scared of a cute little girl. All he's trying to do is elicit a response. The only reason he was posting under the name "Phoebe Prince" and saying those disgusting, hideous things was to try to elicit am angry resonse from me. There could be no other reason fkr Posting under that name and asking me if I wanna dance with the dead...think about how wrong and disgusting that is.
It's clear beagle needs serious psychological help, he obviously has some sort of real mental condition, you can tell just by reading his posts. if he didnt post those videos on YouTube I'd actually feel sorry for the guy.

To be fair, there is really no proof that this is Beagle doing it or even why he made those videos (if he did). When I first came on topix, I got accused of being Beagle. I am clearly not, and most everyone here knows who I am, but that didn't stop people from accusing me and from some psycho calling my house.

I don't care what your personal opinion is about Beagle. Just saying, it's my opinion that it isn't fair to pile onto him when we don't know for a fact. Maybe someone is trying to set him up. We really don't know the whole story unless someone chooses to tell us.

Jenkins wrote:

I can't believe they waited 4 days to go collect the clothing with the duct tape and hair..& it had snowed in the meantime. That had to be someone's hair in the duct tape..that little area could have had much more trace forensic evidence but they will never know if it did because it snowed making it nearly impossible to find trace evidence.
One thing though is I tend to think that they didn't rush there because they knew it wasn't maura's hair in the duct tape. IMO this is another indication that they have a good idea of what happened to Maura and where she probably is. It's my opinion that they haven't been able to obtain the proper search warrants.
In court they mentioned evidence they classified as a one-party intercept. To me It appears they were trying to obtain a search warrant. There's some kid who's been heard by people in the drug scene up there bragging about being the one responsible. It's been said that he poured a concrete floor at his family's business in the days following her disappearance. It is very unusual for people to pour concrete in February in Nh, you never see people pouring concrete up there in winter. Concrete doesn't cure right when it's cold which causes it to crack, it takes forever to dry and it's generally just a pain in the ass and not the right time to do it. You don't want to be pouring conference when it's below freezing unless you absolutely have to.
It's been said by locals I've talked to that the cops have requested a search warrant to run a ground penetrating radar over this concrete floor and were denied.
It looks to me, & this is obviously just opinion, like they tried to get the guy on tape bragging about the crime to use for PC. They prob busted some kid he knows for drugs and got him to wear a wire. I'd bet he got the guy to talk about getting "that girl", or something like that which the judge probably didnt think was specific enough to the crime to constitute PC.
A lot of people up there think this guy is responsible & they say the cops know he is and they think Maura is on his property but they can't search it. Things that were Said in court mirror this: "the investigation has focused on individuals" "the individuals are member of a small community" "the identity of these individuals is rather well known in the community"
This right now is clearly just my opinion but I get the sense that rumor just might be true more or less. I feel like the cops have something more than just rumor to make them think this, like a witness or some piece of evidence. if it's true that the guy really poured a new concrete floor in the days following her dissapearance I could see them being fairly confident she is under that floor..
Maybe the sbd told smith something completely different and was just lying to the media when he told all his stories..this could very well be the reason they only searched east. if by Wednesday she still wasn't found the sbd would know that guy probably killed her and it was gonna take some time for LE to prove it.. I could see the sbd being a little scared and lying to the media if that was the case; it's not a crime to lie to news people.

I've heard this rumor also and had hoped there was some kind of evidence, or at least something enough to spark FBI interest in getting back involved. I'm guessing there isn't anything concrete. If a prominent family is truly a POI, and the family is in bed with LE and the local court system, then this is the sort of thing that could get the FBI interested in stepping in without needing to be "invited". If you or someone you know has anything more than a rumor, I hope you have reported this.

Amy- your totally right about beagle, & you made a couple really good points in that post. I guess I don't know 100% it's him making the srslywth posts. I think it is, from that weird cryptic writing style that almost makes sense but actually makes no sense at all at the same time; but in reality I can't be certain if srslywth is him or not, I suppose it could be someone trying to mess with him. I know detective shtick , stingraypi, jenkins4real & Phoebe PrInce were him but that's another story.

I'm def gonna just stop responding to any and all posts like these that I think are from him. It's just a waste of my time in reality. Thanks for pointing that out Amy

Jenkins wrote:

Amy- your totally right about beagle, & you made a couple really good points in that post. I guess I don't know 100% it's him making the srslywth posts. I think it is, from that weird cryptic writing style that almost makes sense but actually makes no sense at all at the same time; but in reality I can't be certain if srslywth is him or not, I suppose it could be someone trying to mess with him. I know detective shtick , stingraypi, jenkins4real & Phoebe PrInce were him but that's another story.
I'm def gonna just stop responding to any and all posts like these that I think are from him. It's just a waste of my time in reality. Thanks for pointing that out Amy

I've jumped to some wrong conclusions also, so I'm not trying to give you a hard time. It's just that once these posts are out there then we don't really know what some other psycho coming along to read is going to do with that information. People here know some of our real names and where we live, and I just don't want to see anybody get hurt - especially over posts Beagle might not have written. Anyhow, I'll butt out now and go about my day.:-)

There sure is a bunch of dumb shits that post here.

amy researches wrote:

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I've heard this rumor also and had hoped there was some kind of evidence, or at least something enough to spark FBI interest in getting back involved. I'm guessing there isn't anything concrete. If a prominent family is truly a POI, and the family is in bed with LE and the local court system, then this is the sort of thing that could get the FBI interested in stepping in without needing to be "invited". If you or someone you know has anything more than a rumor, I hope you have reported this.

I don't think that this is ever going to qualify for the FBI stepping in.
The nhsp has clearly investigated this individual, its more than likely that this is who they were talking about in court. So if this person is being investigated and they are trying to obtain permission to search and search warrants for the business' property, then that is not corruption that would merit the FBI stepping in, I don't think that even really qualifies as corruption because it looks like they are trying to catch this guy.

Bottom line is unless we learn somethin major that we don't know today about LE actually being involved in her dissapearance and are coverig it up the FBI is not going to step in. This case just does not quality for needing the FBI at the stage it's at now and honestly I can't see it ever qualifying for needing the FBI to step in.

Contrary to what fred has said in the past It looks like the nhsp has fully investigated this case & I really don't think there's much more that the FBI could even do that they haven't done.

amy researches wrote:

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I've jumped to some wrong conclusions also, so I'm not trying to give you a hard time. It's just that once these posts are out there then we don't really know what some other psycho coming along to read is going to do with that information. People here know some of our real names and where we live, and I just don't want to see anybody get hurt - especially over posts Beagle might not have written. Anyhow, I'll butt out now and go about my day.:-)

Your right amy, & im just gonna ignore all the bullshit cuz in reality all It does is bog down the conversation. I certainly don't want any psychos to do anything based off some stupid post that I've made.

You said Someone called you? What did they say? How'd they get your #?

How do some people know others real names? I don't get how that works. Did they say their names or did these people hack the information using one of those programs that tells you where someone lives from their ip adress?

I'm just glad that I only post from my iPhone, which is not registered in my real name and not even the same state I live. I still wonder why it's says I'm from Dayton,OH now and it was saying I was from Columbia,MD. that's funny bc most of the time Im posting from good 'ol NH.

I still wonder where LE determined the last place Maura was. Here's the quote from the saag:

"Knowing exactly where we determined the last place she was could be valuable information to that person."

They can't be talking about the accident scene because that is common knowledge that couldn't possibly be valuable information to a suspect.

So where was it? Was it before or after the crash?
Is it possible she got picked up by someone and was seen in town partying at that guys house?
Is it possible they believe in the second accident theory that John Healy, frank Kelly and the nhli think happened? Is it possible that LE believes the crash site was staged as well?
Healy and Kelly are both respected former LE & experienced investigators. They clearly aren't releasing their case files just like the nhsp aren't releasing theirs, I wonder what's in their files to make them believe the accident was staged.
They must have something pretty convincing to come out and say such a strong statement. The thing is that if LE believed this they couldn't just come out and say it because it would be big news & would potentially help the perp.

If you read what was said in court, & you compare it to what Healy and Kelly have both said, it appears that they all have reached a similar conclusion. If you read what was said in court and fill in the blanks with what Kelly said, it begins to paint a pretty strong picture of what LE probably believes what happened to maura. This js just my opinion obviously but it really does look like they have reached very similar conclusions.