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Jenkins wrote:

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Your right amy, & im just gonna ignore all the bullshit cuz in reality all It does is bog down the conversation. I certainly don't want any psychos to do anything based off some stupid post that I've made.
You said Someone called you? What did they say? How'd they get your #?
How do some people know others real names? I don't get how that works. Did they say their names or did these people hack the information using one of those programs that tells you where someone lives from their ip adress?
I'm just glad that I only post from my iPhone, which is not registered in my real name and not even the same state I live. I still wonder why it's says I'm from Dayton,OH now and it was saying I was from Columbia,MD. that's funny bc most of the time Im posting from good 'ol NH.

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Jenkins wrote:

I still wonder where LE determined the last place Maura was. Here's the quote from the saag:
"Knowing exactly where we determined the last place she was could be valuable information to that person."
They can't be talking about the accident scene because that is common knowledge that couldn't possibly be valuable information to a suspect.
So where was it? Was it before or after the crash?
Is it possible she got picked up by someone and was seen in town partying at that guys house?
Is it possible they believe in the second accident theory that John Healy, frank Kelly and the nhli think happened? Is it possible that LE believes the crash site was staged as well?
Healy and Kelly are both respected former LE & experienced investigators. They clearly aren't releasing their case files just like the nhsp aren't releasing theirs, I wonder what's in their files to make them believe the accident was staged.
They must have something pretty convincing to come out and say such a strong statement. The thing is that if LE believed this they couldn't just come out and say it because it would be big news & would potentially help the perp.
If you read what was said in court, & you compare it to what Healy and Kelly have both said, it appears that they all have reached a similar conclusion. If you read what was said in court and fill in the blanks with what Kelly said, it begins to paint a pretty strong picture of what LE probably believes what happened to maura. This js just my opinion obviously but it really does look like they have reached very similar conclusions.

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Billy Bob wrote:

There sure is a bunch of dumb shits that post here.

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Jenkins wrote:

In court they mentioned evidence they classified as a one-party intercept. To me It appears they were trying to obtain a search warrant. There's some kid who's been heard by people in the drug scene up there bragging about being the one responsible. It's been said that he poured a concrete floor at his family's business in the days following her disappearance. It is very unusual for people to pour concrete in February in Nh, you never see people pouring concrete up there in winter. Concrete doesn't cure right when it's cold which causes it to crack, it takes forever to dry and it's generally just a pain in the ass and not the right time to do it. You don't want to be pouring conference when it's below freezing unless you absolutely have to.
It's been said by locals I've talked to that the cops have requested a search warrant to run a ground penetrating radar over this concrete floor and were denied.
It looks to me, & this is obviously just opinion, like they tried to get the guy on tape bragging about the crime to use for PC. They prob busted some kid he knows for drugs and got him to wear a wire. I'd bet he got the guy to talk about getting "that girl", or something like that which the judge probably didnt think was specific enough to the crime to constitute PC.
A lot of people up there think this guy is responsible & they say the cops know he is and they think Maura is on his property but they can't search it. Things that were Said in court mirror this: "the investigation has focused on individuals" "the individuals are member of a small community" "the identity of these individuals is rather well known in the community"
This right now is clearly just my opinion but I get the sense that rumor just might be true more or less. I feel like the cops have something more than just rumor to make them think this, like a witness or some piece of evidence. if it's true that the guy really poured a new concrete floor in the days following her dissapearance I could see them being fairly confident she is under that floor..
Maybe the sbd told smith something completely different and was just lying to the media when he told all his stories..this could very well be the reason they only searched east. if by Wednesday she still wasn't found the sbd would know that guy probably killed her and it was gonna take some time for LE to prove it.. I could see the sbd being a little scared and lying to the media if that was the case; it's not a crime to lie to news people.

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TeeJay wrote:

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Jenkins: I, too, read something about this theory on an earlier forum. Someone even mentioned the name of the potential person of interest, who is part of a family-owned concrete business in North Haverhill. One strange coincidence is that when I ran a Google search and found the website of this particular concrete-pouring company, they had several pictures on their website that showed a red pick-up truck. I don't recall the name of the potential person of interest, but even so, I wouldn't post it here, because that would be considered libel and would be illegal (or so I've been told).
This theory seems far-fetched, but who knows.(It also reminds me of the case of the "Springfield Three" -- three women in Missouri who went missing in 1992, and whose bodies are widely believed to have been poured into concrete at a construction site for a hospital parking garage. A ground-penetrating detector did in fact pick up three anomalous figures in the parking garage, but a warrant has not yet been granted to dig up the concrete and conduct a search.)

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TeeJay wrote:

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Jenkins: I, too, read something about this theory on an earlier forum. Someone even mentioned the name of the potential person of interest, who is part of a family-owned concrete business in North Haverhill. One strange coincidence is that when I ran a Google search and found the website of this particular concrete-pouring company, they had several pictures on their website that showed a red pick-up truck. I don't recall the name of the potential person of interest, but even so, I wouldn't post it here, because that would be considered libel and would be illegal (or so I've been told).

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Jenkins wrote:

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Interesting that the websit had pix of a red truck.. RO reported mass plates but it is very loss LE the person put on stolen license plates or ok'd onces or something. If your going to committ a crime on the road it is a really good idea to put on different plates. The chances a cop is gonna get behind you and run your plates is pretty slim.
Yes please don't post the guys name or his businesses name. It's not illegal and you are in no danger of libel for real but it's just not the right thing to do. I don't think anyone's real name should be released to the public unless they are convicted of a crime. Innocent until proven guilty should mean for the court of public opinion as well as in the court room.
Interesting post though, I think the cops think thats the guy, I know that most of the town thinks that and most of the town think LE knows it too, they just can't get a search warrant yet. They gotta wait for this guy to make a mistake, supposedly he's involved in the drug scene up there. This is most likely how they'll get him to mess up, catch him with drugs and use that to obtain a search warrant

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Jenkins wrote:

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I don't think that this is ever going to qualify for the FBI stepping in.
The nhsp has clearly investigated this individual, its more than likely that this is who they were talking about in court. So if this person is being investigated and they are trying to obtain permission to search and search warrants for the business' property, then that is not corruption that would merit the FBI stepping in, I don't think that even really qualifies as corruption because it looks like they are trying to catch this guy.
Bottom line is unless we learn somethin major that we don't know today about LE actually being involved in her dissapearance and are coverig it up the FBI is not going to step in. This case just does not quality for needing the FBI at the stage it's at now and honestly I can't see it ever qualifying for needing the FBI to step in.
Contrary to what fred has said in the past It looks like the nhsp has fully investigated this case & I really don't think there's much more that the FBI could even do that they haven't done.

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hannah_b wrote:

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Curiously Det Columbo posted a while ago this guy isn´t the person currently of interest.

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Jenkins wrote:

I can't believe you can actually see the back of a red pickup truck in a pic on their website. Is it the red truck, idk, but that is pretty coincidental if you ask me.

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findmaura wrote:

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Could you point me to the post # please???

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findmaura wrote:

oh....There it is....people coming out of the woodwork to discredit ANY discussion of a locals red truck.

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Det Columbo wrote:

Rag in the tailpipe....
It is possible that the Saturn was disabled with the rag in the tailpipe somewhere close by to the WB curve.
The person who put the rag in the tailpipe was close by as well.
This person then came to MM aid with the offer of a tow to his shop.
At the WB curve the truck towing MM vehicle turned the corner and the saturn being towed by a tow rope followed. Only they were too close to the inside corner and sheared off the bank with the tow strap.
It is at this point when the car came into contact with the back of the trucks bumper or tow hitch. This caused the airbags to deploy, the car to come unhooked and spin around in the road facing westbound.
The truck then left the scene and turned up BH Rd. a short distance. He lives just up the road about 2 miles so He knows the area well as well as LE response time. Plus the fact that He has a scanner.
Maura grabs the stuff she needs from the car and talks to Butch for about 2 to 3 min. at the most. She then walks the short distance from the front area of the Marrottes front lawn by thier trees to the intersection of Rte. 112 and BH Rd.
Maura gets into the truck with this man and goes the couple miles up the road to this guys secluded home in the woods.
Maura has not been seen since Butch Atwood talked to her or whomever it was at the car.

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hannah_b wrote:

Det Columbo´s POI lives 2 miles up BHR and owns a body shop or such, but is not "RS relation":
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findmaura wrote:

Why cant they get a warrant to search the property?What or who could interfere with obtaining a search warrant?what is the procedure?

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Advocate wrote:

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LE would have to have some type of probable cause in order to obtain a search warrant. In other words, a decent reason to think that serious evidence may be found at the location they want to search -- usually they need more than a person saying that another person "did it" (or all of us would get searched when a neighbor got p'd off!). LE takes the warrant request to a judge or magistrate who will review the reason/s why the warrant is being requested and make a decision whether to grant the warrant or not.
Don't know if a person going around "bragging" that he himself did it would be enough to grant a search warrant ... it might depend at least partly on the individual's general reputation. For example, if the person is known to have a big imagination in terms of bragging and boasting, or is known to be mentally ill, etc., then possibly the validity of his/her statements claiming responsibility would be nullified.