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Beagle wrote:

Maybe I'm wrong, but as I understand it...
SBD saw, from his bus, a spun-out vehicle, presumably the Saturn, slightly east of the WB curve. He briefly communicated, from his bus, with the person who seemed to be the driver, probably Maura.
SBD left the immediate vicinity of the Saturn. A few minutes (5-15?) later, the Haverhill police showed up. Other public safety people, including some members of the local fire department and an EmCare ambulance, subsequently converged on the scene.
The Saturn's driver was not with the vehicle. A reasonable search of the area, including snow covered earth, showed no indication that the person SBD talked with at the vehicle, and who was apparently the driver, had wandered off into the woods nearby. In other words, there was at least some immediate effort made to find the vehicle's driver, even if it was, understandably, not an exhaustive one.
So - and, sorry, I know this has been gone over a million times - Maura or someone who looked more or less like her was with the Saturn (while SBD talked with her), she was absent when the police arrived, and there was no indication from a more or less official if limited search that Maura entered the nearby woods. And no one (except some days or weeks later) claimed to have seen her on the road, walking or running, in any direction.
Is this correct?
She was there, then she disappeared, with no indication that she walked away from the vehicle? Which is not to say she COULD not have walked down any number of roads unspotted, but there is no indication that she did so. Correct?
I fully understand and appreciate the scenario of her having had too much to drink, crashed her car, and didn't want to be cited for operating under. True, it does happen all the time.
But just going with the facts... the car crashed, she was there, public safety showed up, she was gone, no indication she walked into the woods, no indication she walked down a road.
Doesn't this allow the not unreasonable possibility that she left the crash scene in another vehicle after SBD talked with her but before police arrived?
I'm not saying Maura DID leave the crash site in another vehicle, but does it seem unreasonable to think she might have?

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oo00oo wrote:

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Sorry, This is not fact. If YOU think it is, YOU need to provide your source. As everyone else is asking. It is not up to us to verify what YOU are saying.
Which it seems most of the posters think you are blowing smoke up every ones behind. JMO.

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Beagle wrote:

Maybe I'm wrong, but as I understand it...
SBD saw, from his bus, a spun-out vehicle, presumably the Saturn, slightly east of the WB curve. He briefly communicated, from his bus, with the person who seemed to be the driver, probably Maura.
SBD left the immediate vicinity of the Saturn. A few minutes (5-15?) later, the Haverhill police showed up. Other public safety people, including some members of the local fire department and an EmCare ambulance, subsequently converged on the scene.
The Saturn's driver was not with the vehicle. A reasonable search of the area, including snow covered earth, showed no indication that the person SBD talked with at the vehicle, and who was apparently the driver, had wandered off into the woods nearby. In other words, there was at least some immediate effort made to find the vehicle's driver, even if it was, understandably, not an exhaustive one.
So - and, sorry, I know this has been gone over a million times - Maura or someone who looked more or less like her was with the Saturn (while SBD talked with her), she was absent when the police arrived, and there was no indication from a more or less official if limited search that Maura entered the nearby woods. And no one (except some days or weeks later) claimed to have seen her on the road, walking or running, in any direction.
Is this correct?
She was there, then she disappeared, with no indication that she walked away from the vehicle? Which is not to say she COULD not have walked down any number of roads unspotted, but there is no indication that she did so. Correct?
I fully understand and appreciate the scenario of her having had too much to drink, crashed her car, and didn't want to be cited for operating under. True, it does happen all the time.
But just going with the facts... the car crashed, she was there, public safety showed up, she was gone, no indication she walked into the woods, no indication she walked down a road.
Doesn't this allow the not unreasonable possibility that she left the crash scene in another vehicle after SBD talked with her but before police arrived?
I'm not saying Maura DID leave the crash site in another vehicle, but does it seem unreasonable to think she might have?

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text>You really should get your "facts" correct before you put them out there for people to read. It makes you look like a silly goose everytime you share wrong information and try to make it a fact.Brianna plowed into an old barn, not a house and I'm afraid I didn't hear on any of the news reports that her car looked like it had rolled off a flatbed truck. Where did you hear that?

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oo00oo wrote:

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Sorry, This is not fact. If YOU think it is, YOU need to provide your source. As everyone else is asking. It is not up to us to verify what YOU are saying.
Which it seems most of the posters think you are blowing smoke up every ones behind. JMO.

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WTF-the-original wrote:

When I said it isn't unreasonable that she was picked up I should point out that not being unreasonable doesn't mean that it happened. In the realm of possibilities it is far higher up on the list then alien abduction, at least for me. What it specifically means is that if that did happen then she isn't likely to be found in the area of the car. If she wasn't picked up that means she could still be in the area. If a person picked her up it may have been malicious or it might not have been. She may have been killed by someone after being dropped off or not. She might have kept running to a new life. Bottom line is there is no way to tell.
Bill

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rozShoem wrote:

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Why should I do all of the work why you sit busily engaged in your warped critique? Google: missing person car found flat tire
Last night I attempted to compile a more comprehensive list of names and discovered that it would take weeks. Flat tires on cars, vans, even a pickup truck w/extended cab w/ camping trailer. Various states all over the nation are experiencing these disappearances associated with the "flat tire/slashed tire" situation. Some vehicles have been found beside the highway and their drivers have disappeared. Other vehicles have been discovered in parking lots, especially at the missing person's workplace. Once in a while, a body has been found, but most of the missing have not been found. When I Google a specific ages, even more names appear. After reading about some of these cases, I believe that VT/NH/ME are not the only states experiencing the missing persons-flat tire/slashed tire scenario. One car was found still running but the driver was never found. Theft-worthy items had been left in these vehicles so theft does not appear to be involved.

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Pointless Endeavor wrote:

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Her car was found apparently backed into the old Dutchburn farm HOUSE. It was the former home of Myron and Harry Dutchburn, who were brutally beaten and robbed there in 1986. The crime is unsolved. The Dutchburn brothers survived the attack and moved into a nursing home after being released from the hospital; they never returned to the residence. They both later died of natural causes. The home had been vacant for six years prior to Maitland’s disappearance. The rear of her car had punctured the interior of the house at the sill immediatly below a window that was covered with plywood. The plywood was found resting on top of the vehicle, indicating force of the collision was the cause. It's plausible that the vehicle was traveling in a forward motion and skidded backwards into the home. It's also plausible that the vehicle could have been backed into the side of the home in reverse gear with enough speed to create a destructive force. IMO Roz's unsubstantiated theory where the the vehicle is rolled from a flatbed tow truck is unlikely but could hold merit. It's a very old building and the wood siding could be dry and brittle enough for a lesser force to break it.
Excuse the threadjack.

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jmlh wrote:

I apologise for the bitch comment. I get so frustrated with people that do nothing on here but try to belittle other posters. Maura is/was a beautiful young woman that disappeared. Her family wants-needs-deserves answers. The handful of you that find this entertainment and talk to yourelves under different monikers are sick. It is disheartening at the very least. My prayers continue for the family of Maura Murray.

rozShoem wrote:

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Bill! You are hypothesizing! Good for you! Ideas. Aren't they wonderful? You're even being kind to all of the alien abduction theorists. You surprise me. After the mid-terms elections...I'm not surprised about anything. Why NOT aliens? LOL. Really. Do you know if authorities searched the area in her two favorite places (Jigger Johnson Campground, etc.)?

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MrX wrote:

Since LE has fought so hard to keep Maura's case records sealed from the public surely it must mean that her dissapearance IS infact being treated as criminal investigation by now? Which must mean investigators have some kind of evidence pointing towards a crime being committed. Otherwise I have hard time understanding why a judge would rule in favor of keeping the info sealed.
I mean if it was being treated as a missing persons case without foul play (which it evidently is not) wouldn't as much info as possible be made public in order to find Maura? So let's assume Maura's dissapearance is being treated a criminal case, then what is the classification of the crime? Homicide maybe? Wonder what kind of evidence LE has that hasn't been made public? DNA, blood? So many questions and so little available info

WTF-the-original wrote:

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They didn't need to check JJ campground. First, do you know how far that it is from where she was last seen? And JJ isn't open in February so she didn't spend any time there, at least not legally. Activity in the campground would be easy to spot.
Bill

oo00oo wrote:

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Sorry, This is not fact. If YOU think it is, YOU need to provide your source. As everyone else is asking. It is not up to us to verify what YOU are saying.
Which it seems most of the posters think you are blowing smoke up every ones behind. JMO.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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You need to verify the source of ALL this CRAP you're throwing out as facts.
There's people missing all over the US and maybe some had a flat tire. That doesn't mean that Maura's tire was flat.
You absolutely refuse to give your source of the flat tire info. The only way you would KNOW that it was flat or not is if you were there? Were you there? Did you see the tire?