Maura Murray

amy researches wrote:

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Whether the car stalled or the above scenario happened, does it make a difference to anyone's theory? Similarly, if the car didn't really hit the trees but instead clipped the snow bank and ended up a few extra yards down the road, does this change anything? Other than maybe someone filled out the accident report six days later and made a sloppy mistake? I'm not implying anything nefarious happened, just an honest question.

It was more than a few extra yards down the road from where the ribbon was around the tree. This would make a big difference as to what witnesses could and could not see on that night. I was always under the impression that where the ribbon was on the tree was the final resting point of Mauras car. It was months later that the Ws told us that the tree with the ribbon around it was not the right location and that the vehicle was further down.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

From the Boston globe:
"Using tracking dogs, helicopters, and trained searchers, local and state police, as well as state fish and game officials, covered nearly 20 miles along Route 112, but found no trace of Murray's footprints in the snow. The tracking dogs lost her scent within 100 feet of the accident, leading investigators and her loved ones to believe she either hitched a ride and continued on her way, or was abducted."
They definitely said 20 miles, now let me dig up the quote where scarinza actually describes it himself, he described flying all the way up to north Woodstock, which is 17 miles away. From that we can surmise that they searched the 17'miles up to n Woodstock, & the few miles back to 302.
Why can't people just do their own research instead of making mindless personal attacks that really just make themselves look stupid? Ridiculous

Cite UR sources when u write sh*t.

The Goat

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>It was more than a few extra yards down the road from where the ribbon was around the tree. This would make a big difference as to what witnesses could and could not see on that night. I was always under the impression that where the ribbon was on the tree was the final resting point of Mauras car. It was months later that the Ws told us that the tree with the ribbon around it was not the right location and that the vehicle was further down.

Maybe Fred misunderstood? Kindof foolish 2 hv the bow on the wrong tree. Honest mistake.

The Goat

It says it's from the Boston globe right there, anybody could search and find that article now I didn't realize we had have a proper source, I dint see anyone else sourcing their posts that well,

Lik this

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php...

The BG article iznt right anywaz.

Goat

WTH-the-original wrote:

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It absolutely does.
Bill

Not if her car rested east of the blue ribbon it does not explain it.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Keep going Bob. I am pretty sure you misinterpreted what he said. You assumed because he was talking about footprints, and then he talked about the FLIR, that he was talking about seeing the footprints through the FLIR.
Write the rest. Not all your fault, it was worded with some ambiguity in it. People that would know, know, others could misinterpret.
Bill

Actually I'm pretty positive he was talking about being sble to see human footprints there. There's another interview he does where he's on camera describing what he sees and he goes into more details. He says he personally flew in the helicopter the whole length up to 112 and hr goes in to say that he could see footprints in the snow clear because they were w different color than surrounding snow

I will find this when I have a little more time

Not 20 miles

http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2012/01/scari...

B. E. Goat

SRSLYWTH wrote:

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Maybe Fred misunderstood? Kindof foolish 2 hv the bow on the wrong tree. Honest mistake.
The Goat

I did not become involved for the search for Maura until March 16,2004. So I honestly dont know if it was a mistake or if Fred had been given the wrong info.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>It was more than a few extra yards down the road from where the ribbon was around the tree. This would make a big difference as to what witnesses could and could not see on that night. I was always under the impression that where the ribbon was on the tree was the final resting point of Mauras car. It was months later that the Ws told us that the tree with the ribbon around it was not the right location and that the vehicle was further down.

How many yards was it?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Actually I'm pretty positive he was talking about being sble to see human footprints there. There's another interview he does where he's on camera describing what he sees and he goes into more details. He says he personally flew in the helicopter the whole length up to 112 and hr goes in to say that he could see footprints in the snow clear because they were w different color than surrounding snow
I will find this when I have a little more time

Im sorry Jenkins and not trying to discredit you but the whole length of 112 was not searched on Feb.11,2004. CW had told a neighbor what they had witnessed in April of 2004 concerning some one running in and out off traffic that they had witnessed on there way home after doing a job in Franconia. If I recall right it was not CW that contacted LE. There was a search done on 112 and 116 in June or July because of what was reported concerning what CW had told to others. 112 is the forest and White Mountains with many trees.How is it that one could see footprints through the trees?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>The Ws had said they heard a vehicle accelerate and then heard a thump.

If the tires lost traction coming around the curve wouldn't that cause a sudden acceleration? This would explain the noise they heard.

GrampaMo wrote:

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If the tires lost traction coming around the curve wouldn't that cause a sudden acceleration? This would explain the noise they heard.

Iam not a expertise in this field so I cannot say.I can only state was what heard by the witnesses.

Ok I think I have a plausable theory for the crash. I have kept an open mind.

I am starting to discount the theory from the TV guy that the car clipped the curve and this is what I think may have happened.

I believe Maura may have been going to fast and the turn came up suddenly and her rear started to go right into the bend. Maura over compensated by turning her front wheels to the right and she gased it at the same time. This action of over compensation of the wheel and gasing it put her car in the opposite position of her back end facing out to the yellow lines and her drivers side corner was now angled to hit the trees. The snowbank cushioned some of the blow.

It is difficult to try and explain it, but if you drawa backwards "S" this is the pattern the car may have taken.

I am sure the TV guy say a clipped curve but it might have been there previously
and it could have easily been a car coming east to west that clipped it.

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amy researches wrote:

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How many yards was it?

I can only say by actually being at the tree with the ribbon around it and to the area that we were shown for the final resting spot of Mauras car was more than yards. If you want a definate measurement then I suggest that you go and measure the distance.

Hi all, change of subject again, sorry.
Anybody checked out WS Maura thread? A poster claims phone records on ID Disappeared shows Maura called two different lawyers specializing in family disagreements, and she also called a navy recruit in Albany, NY. I checked it out myself, and it could be true. Any thoughts?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Im sorry Jenkins and not trying to discredit you but the whole length of 112 was not searched on Feb.11,2004. CW had told a neighbor what they had witnessed in April of 2004 concerning some one running in and out off traffic that they had witnessed on there way home after doing a job in Franconia. If I recall right it was not CW that contacted LE. There was a search done on 112 and 116 in June or July because of what was reported concerning what CW had told to others. 112 is the forest and White Mountains with many trees.How is it that one could see footprints through the trees?

Ok well the entire length of 112 was not wilderness searched, they searched that with the helicopter. Scarinza specifically describes flying all the way to n Woodstock.
Flir sees changes in temperature, not light. Footprints are warmer because they are melting faster and they stick out from the snow being a different color.

Most of the trees don't have leaves in the winter so you can see the ground from above.
Also if she walked into the woods there would be a Long trail I footprints leadin into the woods. The tree cover is not so thick that you can't see the ground.
Obviously it's not 100%, hence no one saying 100% she didn't enter the woods.
It's just not as likely as her getting a ride.
We for no footprints leading into the woods.
The blood hound losing her trail
Wilderness searched close to the accident turned up absolutely no evidence.
This is why they can say they're reasonably confident Shes not in the woods near the crash site.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I can only say by actually being at the tree with the ribbon around it and to the area that we were shown for the final resting spot of Mauras car was more than yards. If you want a definate measurement then I suggest that you go and measure the distance.

I am just wondering is it down the block, or a half a mile, or approximately how far? I had been told a few yards away from the three large trees was a small patch of seven smaller trees and that is where the car actually crashed (or ended up). Maybe that info was wrong, so I am just trying to figure out where the car was.