Maura Murray

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Red truck? Dont know who owned it and how long it was there. But there was also a red truck that was parked in the witnesses yard within eye sight of the scene.

why do you mention a red truck in a witnesses yard?Has this truck been considered to maybe be the "BHR" truck?In that case maybe it wouldnt be unusual to have doors open,I.E groceries etc.

The "Concord Monitor" has an article..."Time Dwindles
for Cold Case Unit".

What red truck you talkin citi?

The one parked on 112, it would be on your right pretty quick after coming around the wb heading wb toward the SSS correct?

Why do you mention that red truk?
You say that person was a witness? What woness was that? What did they see?

Sorry to butt in like this, it's late and I wanted to clear something up, and add some thoughts.

Shack wrote:

<quoted text>If she knew who picked her up....why didn't she take some of personal belongings...clothes...jewelry ..with her...

For some odd reason, I quoted a post too far back for me to believe I could be so off but anyhow:

I don't know what happened the other night because I replied to this post by saying maybe Maura could hear the sirens coming so she decided to hurry up and get out of the area.

There were some unexplainable footprints in someones back yard too.
But also,
In thinking about the car, the footprints and such I have to wonder if they,(the family) were shown the wrong spot right off the bat. If so it's no wonder the spot looked just fine and free of prints.....because it was the wrong spot and no one had walked there?
g'nite all.

Thanks for telling us about that shack. Very interesting read. Really they're running out of money for it? Ccu is probably gonna get shut down next year as they say even with the $1.2milliom fed grant thu still don't even have enough for proper murder investigations. The statehouse voted to extend the ccu to 2013 but they offer no $ to pay for it, which kinda sucks. Thing I don't understand is that these investigators are gettin paid by the state either way, they aren't getting laid off if the ccu is shuttered, as far as I know. So what's the difference if they keep working on cold cases or new cases? Obviously right now the stare has new investigations covered. So why not just keep them working on cold cases with the one prosecutor and use the other resources when they come up with a Cade to bring in? I don't get what the difference is.
Here's the link for anyone who's interested,

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/327876/...

Couple things I'd like to point out about it:

First of all they on the murder profiled innthe article (pishon) they talk about how LE and the family stay in contact. LE has given them a lot of inside information it appears, even including identifying to them the person of interest who has claimed to other people to Jane killed and buried their son. The father says "I think everyone knows who killed my son" & "there isn't ample ecsemce to prosecute him in court"...sound familiar to anyone? Sounds exactly what we've been saying except that LE won't tell Fred anything. Why not? What's the difference?
How come in this case they say they can't tell Fred anything about the investigation but in that case they told the family who the poi is and what they think happened?
Is this just because Fred talked so much shit early on or is it for other reasons?
Is it bc Fred wouldn't sit down down for a femal interview with the nhsp until 2 years after?
Do they consider Fred a suspect?
I found that extremely interesting, because in most cases like this LE shares info with the family, including who they thing the poi is. But also in most cases like this the family cooperates fully with LE. Generally the family cooperates until they are completely eliminated because they are the first suspects by default, once they are eliminated they are then given inside info.

I also find it interesting that theyve never publicly eliminated Fred as a suspect. Theyve eliminated the sbd, CW and Billy, buy why not Fred? Again is this just because of the way that he has spoken about them publicly or have they really not been ably to eliminate him?
I'm not really sure what to make of it but it's a highly interesting read.

I hesitated Posting the NHCCU info. because it stunned me...knew it could/would be coming ..but, yet, I didn't want to know it.
The following is just my take on Fred upsetting the HPD. Yes, I believe he could have been a hollering
anxiety driven father. HPD only had 4 ..a Chief, a sergeant and 4 rookies.(one rookie now Chief).
After Chief W. was dismissed, Sgt.S. was appointed by TM to be Chief. Sgt.Smith didn't want to be Chief...he lasted a year..year and afew months...he resigned for other employment.
Again, ONLY my opinion....Haverhill (and it's precincts)are buffered by being in Grafton County.
Nothing will be accomplished within this political..
(can't find the right word)
PS Re: Tom C...know who it is..they can't prove it..

Correction...2 rookies...not 4....(BC and CC chasing bearded hoodie off Central St.Woodsville.....)

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Is it bc Fred wouldn't sit down down for a femal interview with the nhsp until 2 years after?
.........
I found that extremely interesting, because in most cases like this LE shares info with the family, including who they thing the poi is... Generally the family cooperates until they are completely eliminated because they are the first suspects by default, once they are eliminated they are then given inside info.
NOT IN NH

I also find it interesting that theyve never publicly eliminated Fred as a suspect. Theyve eliminated the sbd, CW and Billy....
I'm not really sure what to make of it but it's a highly interesting read.

Sitting down: "In fact, I personally met with him along with lead investigators of the state police last spring and he was assigned a victim's witness advocate from my office," who has been in contact with him regularly, she said.
The police also have said that they talk with Murray on a regular basis when new leads appear." Doesn't get more formal than meeting with the Attorney General
Cooperation: Additionally to the extent there are personal records of Mr. Murray that he provided or authorized law enforcement to obtain, in this case …..Nancy Smith 2007
Cleared: Please find one thing that quotes police or the AG's office that anybody has been cleared and quote it or stop saying it.

Consider this wrote:

<quoted text>
Sitting down: "In fact, I personally met with him along with lead investigators of the state police last spring and he was assigned a victim's witness advocate from my office," who has been in contact with him regularly, she said.
The police also have said that they talk with Murray on a regular basis when new leads appear." Doesn't get more formal than meeting with the Attorney General
Cooperation: Additionally to the extent there are personal records of Mr. Murray that he provided or authorized law enforcement to obtain, in this case …..Nancy Smith 2007
Cleared: Please find one thing that quotes police or the AG's office that anybody has been cleared and quote it or stop saying it.

I'm not doubting that they do and have met with Fred, that's not what I'm saying here. What I'm saying is they won't actually give him any good information to think they have a viable suspect. That was the whole point of his court case remember?

If you have any info stating that Fred Is not happy with the information provided to him now please post it.

As for the point about people being cleared, sbd, CW and Billy most certainly have been cleared. I've already posted those quotes and links earlier in this thread

I don't understand something; Nancy smith said that in 2007 correct? Well why was Fred suing for more Info on maura's case if they meet with him regularly and tell him the new leads and suspects? Wasn't that the whole point of his court case?
Do you know what forum she said that in? Was that in court or in the newspaper?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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I've already posted those quotes and links earlier in this thread

Could you repost.

findmaura wrote:

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I considered McKay in the begining.Scary dude...This kind of thing would be right up his alley...But it gets dismissed quite rapidly.

I agree findmaura, def a scary dude no doubt. Is there a particular reason you don't consider McKay anymore?

Honestly this does seem right up the psycho's alley, he was a sick fuck. I wonder why everyone is so quick to write him off. Is there a specific reason he can't be responsible?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

I don't understand something; Nancy smith said that in 2007 correct? Well why was Fred suing for more Info on maura's case if they meet with him regularly and tell him the new leads and suspects? Wasn't that the whole point of his court case?
Do you know what forum she said that in? Was that in court or in the newspaper?

That statement was made by Kelly Ayotte in 2005 and has been posted on here repeatedly. See #9810 Who said they told him anything about leads or suspects?????

That's my whole point consider this, that generally in cases like this they do tell the parents abou leads and suspects.

Like the case that was profiled in the concord minutes article, they definitely are telling that family who they think the pois r, so why not Fred?
Why is it so damaging to this case, but not to other cases?

Consider this- are you trying to say that the sbd, CW and Billy haven't Bren cleared of any wrongdoing?

I thought it was pretty mich established fact they had nothin to do with it

I don't see how anybody can ready that article and still say LE doesn't think Maura was murdered, this much is blatantly obvious.

Out of all the cold cases in Nh they narrowed it down to 118 to put on the list, it sounds like the list could be bigger even.
These guys are totally strapped for resources as it is. They really don't even have enough to really do the 118.
The attorneys quoted in the article are talking about homicide prosecutions, that is their job and that is what they intend to do. If the AG reviewed the case file and thought she might be lost in the woods because she was drunk and running from a DUI there is no way they would put her on that list.
The whole point of the ccu is for homicide indictments, not to find people lost in the woods.
Their resources don't allow that, not even close.
Theyve actually already issued 2 indictments on cold cases, which I am pretty impressed by, and they barely have the manpower to prosecute those cases.
There is absolutely no way they would be wasting their time investigating Maura if they didn't think she got killed, no way.

They don't even have resources to investigate all 118, they selected 10 out of the lost to start, they rated them by the likelihood of being solved. They determined this by availability of suspects, witnesses and evidence. I wonder if Maura got on that list of 10..going by what was said in the court case I would sure hope so. In court they mentions suspects & evidence and say there's a 75% chance of charges. It would seem like unless they were making all of that up that her case would qualify for the list of 10.
They also say that they are goin back and starting each case from scratch, which is exactly whatthis case need IMO.
I feel an indictment is not impossible in this case.

Either way, the state clearly believes she was murdered

I still find it interesting that all the pros who have looked at this case and gone on record feel that foul play was involved yet we have anonymous Internet posters who know so much more than the AG does. She was drunk and high on adrenaline, obviously that's evidence that she just walked into te woods and froze to death.

I'm still waiting for Someone to present a shred of credible evidence that she actually walked into the woods. I would gladly admit that's a possibility If someone can show me a reason to think that, I'm sorry but so far nobody's even been able to show she was actually drunk, and if you look at the witness' statements it sure doesn't seem like she was that hopped up on adrenaline either. Who sits there leisurely with the door open if they're so scared of a DUI that there about to walk miles into the woods and kill themselves bc they're so pumped with adrenaline? I'm sorry but that assertion does not for with the known evidence or witness statements

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Consider this- are you trying to say that the sbd, CW and Billy haven't Bren cleared of any wrongdoing?
I thought it was pretty mich established fact they had nothin to do with it

followed this for years. Nobody Official ever said anybody was cleared...ever. agree w/Consider. Show us your sources.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

I still find it interesting that all the pros who have looked at this case and gone on record feel that foul play was involved yet we have anonymous Internet posters who know so much more than the AG does. She was drunk and high on adrenaline, obviously that's evidence that she just walked into te woods and froze to death.
I'm still waiting for Someone to present a shred of credible evidence that she actually walked into the woods. I would gladly admit that's a possibility If someone can show me a reason to think that, I'm sorry but so far nobody's even been able to show she was actually drunk, and if you look at the witness' statements it sure doesn't seem like she was that hopped up on adrenaline either. Who sits there leisurely with the door open if they're so scared of a DUI that there about to walk miles into the woods and kill themselves bc they're so pumped with adrenaline? I'm sorry but that assertion does not for with the known evidence or witness statements

A pro who doesn't know the actual cause of death can make a statement that foul play was definetly involved. Would that really make them a pro? Would a pro say I need more information before solving this case?

Yet some readers who think she was troubled before her accident, drinking, problems with LE, and didn't want to live with crashing another of her father's, or get a DUI. Thats not possible.

Lets also not forget that she had in her car the book "Not without Peril" , and last but certainly not least her father makes mention to LE about a squaw walk.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

What red truck you talkin citi?
The one parked on 112, it would be on your right pretty quick after coming around the wb heading wb toward the SSS correct?
Why do you mention that red truk?
You say that person was a witness? What woness was that? What did they see?

What I said "was the witness with in eye sight of the scene".It was the witness looking out the window peeling an orange. There was a red truck parked in this yard.I dont know how long it was there or who owned it as I have previously stated. No it was never parked on 112 when I rode by.It was always parked behind the house. It was on the right side when coming from the west heading east. I never said this truck was involved in Mauras disappearance.

Hi all, It would be intersting to put the Westmans,MrLavoie,The cottage hospital witness Sue Champy,SgtSmith and the EMS and Firecrew ,Chief I was not there Williams ,The Marottes out on route 112 and ask them where the saturn was when they saw it.Also where they told Sharon and MrMurray the saturn was.I will ask did the Marottes own a red truck and did it go to Ardmore street in Springfield M.A.take care philip